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Finally saw Project Hail Mary last night. Fascinating how unapologetic its ecological anthropocentrism was, and how instinctively audiences “get” this: Some species have attributes of supreme moral value (humans, Eridians) and so they and the ecosystem services they depend upon are worth preserving, and others (astrophage, Taumoeba) do not possess those moral attributes, and so they and their ecosystems necessarily must be rendered extinct or engineered in service of the needs of the species of moral value.
(Note that *all* of life on Earth/Erid is not threatened by astrophage, as chemosynthetic organisms—those that get their energy from chemical compounds—would surely be able to survive. And so Grace’s and Rocky’s missions were not to save “life on Earth/Erid”, but to save a set of ecological conditions [including most especially photosynthetic production] optimal for humans/Eridians and those other species we/they care most about).
This anthropocentrism is not a chauvinism of Homo sapiens’ particular branch of the tree of life, for Erid’s current ecological conditions also must be preserved in order to maintain the flourishing of Rocky’s species. So really, we should call this preference an “ethico-centrism” rather than anthropocentrism.
Audiences might respond: But of course microbes are less important than humans/Eridians; they’re just microbes!
And this is indeed an unassailable position. But then the audiences will be immediately expressing an anthropocentric argument: that some species have greater moral value than others.
What is noteworthy is how this instinctive response rubs up against critiques of anthropocentrism popular in some corners of academia and the environmental movement, critiques that ask why one species and its way of being should be viewed as superior to any other?
Here in the real world of course, there is only one such species (that we know of) with all these attributes of moral value, not two: humans. So anthropocentrism and ethico-centrism are identical “-centrisms”. Only if we discover a new species with those same exceptional moral values would these two -centrisms diverge.
Some other animal species may have a *few* of these moral attributes, but not the full complement, and not to the full extent, and that suggests we have a duty of care toward them, but there is no moral equivalence (i.e., chimpanzees have far more moral value than microbes, but they are not persons).
But it is not enough to leave this question of moral hierarchy in nature at the level of instinct. We need to formally clarify what these attributes of moral value are, or put another way, rigorously define what it means to be a human as distinct from other species, which requires asking what humans are for.
This is especially true amidst the current ecological crisis (in order to clarify that the project can *only* be the conservation of optimal ecological conditions for humans, and not “saving the planet”). Such an ontology is also urgent if we are on the cusp, not of discovering a new species that may possibly have such moral attributes, but of inventing one in the form of AI.
We need to define all this pretty damn quickly.

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@JariParantainen Tuo "kyvykkyys" kyllä ottaa päähän.
Se on kyky.
Opetetaanko varusmiehillekin nykyään sotilaan perustaidokkuuksia?
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@JariParantainen Sinisellä pillerillä haettiin sekä suoritus- että vaikutuskykyä.
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@Fin_Patriot @tomitakamaa Jos olet niin rahamiehiä että voit uhrata vaikkapa yhden koripallon tieteen nimissä, voit havainnollistaa asian itsellesi. Iske naula palloon, sido naulaan parimetrinen naru ja ripusta katosta roikkumaan. Pyöritä palloa ympäri.
Vot! Kiinnityspiste katossa on kuin Pohjantähti.
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@tomitakamaa Selittäkää kuin 5vuotiaalle, miten on mahdollista että pohjantähti pysyy tasan tarkkaan paikallaan ja muut tähdet kiertää pohjantähteä vaikka pyöritään ja mitä kaikkea avaruudessa?

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Moni luulee, että flat Earth -jengi ei olisi tosissaan ja että ne vain trollaa.
Artemis 2 -operaatio on kuitenkin paljastanut nyt todella monille, että he ovat ihan tosissaan.
Enimmäkseen nämä vajakit ovat amerikkalaisia, mutta etenkin lunar landing denier -poppoossa on valtavasti myös suomalaisia. Osa kieltää kokonaan koko avaruuden. 👀
Se, että ei ymmärrä tiettyjä asioita ei tee niistä feikkejä.
Oon vähän flunssassa, joten mulla on vaikka koko päivä aikaa väitellä. 😁

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@reaverxai @AkiHyodynmaa No worries, the AI didn't even get the joke
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@AkiHyodynmaa Google is locking the context behind some arcane language
fine keep your secrets

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@HansNiesund @Maks_NAFO_FELLA That's where Steve Miller comes in, explaining in big, beautiful words what to do today.
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@Maks_NAFO_FELLA As if Trump ever read 838 pages of anything.
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@salamandah_pala @HeirPlain It's Grace's interpreter script which really says it. Which makes me wonder how he taught the word - seems he explained a full idiom "thank you" to Rocky, but only wrote it as verb "thank" in his word sheet
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@aether_boye @build_boost Obviously it is less plausible -there are absolutely no physically explainable mechanisms to allow its existence.
Fine for a fiction plot device, but absolutely cannot be called realistic. Otherwise you can call Star Trek's warp drives and teleports realistic as well.
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@TommiSairo @build_boost Is a cell capable of converting heat into neutrinos really any less plausible than, say, a cell capable of converting light into electrical impulses in order to see? One is only more "plausible" than the other because it's the one we are familiar with.
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Project Hail Mary spoilers:
After some discussion here, I had grok run some numbers: using a small dyson swarm to offload the astrophage breeding into space (preventing further Earth cooling), and using CO2 from Venus as feedstock, several (say 5) follow-on ships could have been sent from Earth within a couple years to rendezvous with the Hail Mary and refuel it, each one catching up with the HM faster as it gets closer to Earth, and they definitely could've saved a re-coma'd flight team without making it a suicide mission. (I will not be double checking the numbers myself so feel free to tell me if it looks wrong.)
Europeans, pheh.
Robotbeat🗽 ➐@Robotbeat
It totally tracks that Stratt is European. An American would’ve tried to make the mission two-way somehow. And note Professor Brand in Interstellar has a British accent. The American characters all pretty much try to make it two way in Interstellar, PHM, The Martian, etc.
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@ALionFan34767 @kamikazecash @Osinttechnical @TheRynheart You do stop being allies when you demand islands from them, though.
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@kamikazecash @Osinttechnical @TheRynheart Airbase in India or one our allies islands. We don’t stop being allies once we leave NATO.
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@BrianSpragge @BrodieOnLinux 50% of USB sockets I encounter daily are sideways and empty holes go inconsistently left or right.
So, it isn't.
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USB A are cheap, and very robust. People who are obsessed with USB C never want to address the fact that it's a really fragile connector, nowhere near as bad Micro USB but in no world a replacement for USB A.
Scott Wessman@scottew
feels like the world collectively overinvested in USB-A infrastructure
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@thomastaussi Eheyttämistä alettiin paheksua takavuosina. Eikä se SSD-levyllekään hyväksi ole.
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En ole kuullut tätä termiä yli 20 vuoteen: "levyn eheytys"
The Golden Days@TheGoldenDays
remember waiting hours for this to finish
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@tomieinlove Many people believe in the "Epstein Island" hypothesis - aliens are visiting regularly, but government is just withholding the reports because all the probing involved in it
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@cerisehaleth @JeremyJuggler They did also change Stratt to be East German.
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@JeremyJuggler this is pretty much the only change: obviously there is a lot that got skipped for time/simplification (and the overall tone is a little different) but this is the only time i can think of they go directly AGAINST what’s in the book!
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This makes me a tiny bit upset to watch the movie now :( there’s a whole scene in the book where Rocky is embarrassed about eating because he DOESNT think it’s beautiful, it’s disgusting, biological, and vulnerable, yet he lets Grace watch for science.
project hail øwen 🛸🧜🏼♀️@cobbvanthdilf
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I know some people are annoyed by this but is there a single person running the latest Linux kernel on a 486, not running a version of the kernel, but an up to date kernel
Tom's Hardware@tomshardware
Linux devs start removing support for 37-year-old Intel 486 CPU — head honcho Linus Torvalds says 'zero real reason' to continue support tomshardware.com/software/linux…
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@cnewton_ky @anthonieisacnt @BrodieOnLinux There are lots of 10+ years old embedded devices running 2.6. Updating them to a modern kernel is not a very realistic scenario.
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@anthonieisacnt @BrodieOnLinux Not on an fully air-gapped internal system it isn't. These are not PCs or even servers you can just walk up to & log in.
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@Malachi108 @Meanteenbirder @ATLienRoc @CultureCrave No, that's the time passed on Earth. For him subjectively, the 11 ly trip to Tau Ceti Earth was something like 4.5 years.
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@Meanteenbirder @ATLienRoc @CultureCrave Yeah, but that's for *him*.
MORE time would have passed on Earth!
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Andy Weir on the ending of 'Project Hail Mary'
"I think it’s a perfect ending for Ryland because he really liked being a teacher, and in the end he gets to be a teacher and hang out with his best friend. And he’d be returning to an Earth where something like 75 years had passed since he left"
"Everyone he knows back on Earth will have died. He doesn’t really have anything to go back to. But he’s got his best friend here. A job that he loves"
"Why would he leave?"
"I knew that was going to be the end of the novel before I started writing the first page"
(via @nytimes)


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@NewsyOhio18235 @blueangel19901 @st4rrdust He didn't disassemble the probes any more at that point. Neither the taumoeba containers nor the astrophage containers on beetles were xenonite. But my recollection was indeed wrong, he launched the probes in the same point of timeline as in the movie.
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@TommiSairo @blueangel19901 @st4rrdust It's understandable since that would make sense but I'm pretty sure he had to disassemble them once he realized the amoebas could get out to make sure they weren't getting into the Beetles fuel.
But maybe I'm wrong
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@NewsyOhio18235 @blueangel19901 @st4rrdust Well crap. I could have sworn he sent the probes before parting ways with Rocky
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@TommiSairo @blueangel19901 @st4rrdust Well in the book he *doesn't* do that actually and it's really important that he didn't because of the xenonite issue
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@aether_boye @build_boost A cell capable of converting heat into neutrinos that it traps inside and re-converts at will to IR is like, totally realistic...
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@build_boost Astrophage is probably the most efficient realistic solution to the "how do we get the energy from the Dyson to Earth" problem I've heard
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