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@CherryDongerino @ljmontello @crowmads @AP It's an understandable feeling to have, but you didn't treat me that way. Just saying. Either way, I appreciate the chat and civil discourse. Maybe we'll talk again sometime.

@Too_Many_Carbs @ljmontello @crowmads @AP It’s just you hear the same shit enough and you stop softening your language. I really don’t think there was any ill mannered intent there.

BREAKING: Prices paid by U.S. consumers jumped 7% in December from a year earlier, the highest inflation rate since 1982. It's the latest evidence that rising costs for food, gas, rent and other necessities are heightening the pressures on U.S. households. apne.ws/B3HI7QK

@CherryDongerino @ljmontello @crowmads @AP Did you and I disagree? I thought we wound up being on the same page. And she was talking to me like I was an idiot, and the minute I called her out on it, she went straight to accusing me of sexism. To me, thats someone more interested in winning arguments than being honest.

@Too_Many_Carbs @ljmontello @crowmads @AP The same regurgitated talking points that are literally stemmed from deliberate misinformation campaigns by media networks and have to dispute them as often as she (and i) probably often do. It’s hard to treat every interaction like a new one.

@CherryDongerino @ljmontello @crowmads @AP You were respectful and genuine, She wasn't, pretty much all there is to it. She also blocked me, lol.

@ljmontello @Too_Many_Carbs @crowmads @AP I go into one little meeting for work for like an hour and this whole thread goes to shit haha I largely believe there is no productive discourse related to economics because a large portion of the population believes they can confidently speak on these issues for no reason

@ljmontello @CherryDongerino @crowmads @AP The only one in this conversation that cares that you're a woman is you. Is the scenario I described valid or not? Again, maybe put your ego away this for real this time.

@Too_Many_Carbs @CherryDongerino @crowmads @AP I gave you multiple serious, unsnarky replies and you keep repeating bad faith talking points that were unoriginal 20 years ago. If you're seeing ego it's because you have a hard time with a woman knowing more than you in an area she knows.

@ljmontello @CherryDongerino @crowmads @AP Are you going to be this confrontational and condescending in every reply? Put your ego away for a bit. Is the scenario I described valid or not?

@Too_Many_Carbs @CherryDongerino @crowmads @AP How's that race to the bottom mentality worked for most workers the last few decades? You ever been to West Virginia or old manufacturing or mining towns in the rust belt?

@ljmontello @CherryDongerino @crowmads @AP If I offer a service, but someone else offers a similar service for cheaper, what do I do? Either I improve my service, lower my prices, or lose all my business to the competition. Improving my services means I need to create something better. Is that scenario invalid?

@Too_Many_Carbs @CherryDongerino @crowmads @AP Thing is the competition breeds innovation thing isn't even accurate. So much of our R&D in multiple fields come from research universities created from public land grants and/or with publicly subsudized grants. The private sector exploits it and then privatized the gain.

@CherryDongerino @ljmontello @crowmads @AP I dont support an entirely socialist society, as I believe in competition driving innovation and progress, but I only see a few glaring issues with minimal infrastructure being maintained by government workers. So if that would work and my taxes went to better use, I'd be happy.

@Too_Many_Carbs @ljmontello @crowmads @AP Socialism is collective ownership. A worker coop is socialism because the workers collectively own the company. When you have a government which is made up of democratically elected reps that directly hires employees to carry out a function/ that is socialism.

@CherryDongerino @ljmontello @crowmads @AP So having a workforce paid by the government is socialism? I thought socialism was having everyone in the country work for the government.

@Too_Many_Carbs @ljmontello @crowmads @AP I’m describing socialism. It’s what we did with the new deal, it’s what we did with great society. The problem didn’t start until we started offering profit incentives from the government to corporations

@CherryDongerino @ljmontello @crowmads @AP Doesn't sound like a bad idea to me, at least not on the surface. The money'd be going to getting the job done either way.

@Too_Many_Carbs @ljmontello @crowmads @AP Case in point: new deal. We created a federal jobs program. The government employed thousands of people. They got benefits, the job was done, people made money, individual workers were paid directly for their labor. There was no middle man to collect a check.

@CherryDongerino @ljmontello @crowmads @AP I definately appreciate your willingness to talk it out, but I'd feel a bit uncomfortable doing that at this time to be honest.

@Too_Many_Carbs @ljmontello @crowmads @AP Strike that- how would you feel about having a conversation via like zoom or a phone call about this?

@CherryDongerino @ljmontello @crowmads @AP We already said the issue essentially boiled down to the Government being unable/unwilling to properly negotiate contracts. Wouldn't fixing that resolve most of these issues? Seems alot easier to do that than to restructure society to a system that has historically ended horribly

@ljmontello @Too_Many_Carbs @crowmads @AP The problem with this is when you factor all of this into reality- the logical conclusion is socialism lol and as soon as people realize that the red scare gene which seems to have embedded itself into society activates and people will foam at the mouth and start screaming venez.

@CherryDongerino @ljmontello @crowmads @AP So are we in agreement that the government spends our money like shit?

@Too_Many_Carbs @ljmontello @crowmads @AP They don’t want to. They select private contractors via nepotism, not merit. The contract goes to the most well connected donor, which means they often view campaign contributions as investments. They make all that money back and more on those sweet sweet government contracts

@ljmontello @CherryDongerino @crowmads @AP When I higher a service I generally look into several companies to get the best deal. I think you touched on this with the "well connected insiders" bit, but why can't the government essentially do the same?

@Too_Many_Carbs @CherryDongerino @crowmads @AP Yes. And some areas, such as roads,, wouldn't be nearly the problem if there was oversight & accountability. But contracts are largely pay to play affairs for well connected insiders that thwart legitimate competition only to then go well over budget at our expense.

@CherryDongerino @ljmontello @crowmads @AP So the government hires a private contractor to build a road or somethig like that would be an example of what you're talking about right?

@Too_Many_Carbs @ljmontello @crowmads @AP pogo.org/analysis/2020/… More than half of our military budget alone is paid to private contractors- completely putting aside subsidies, this breakdown can be found in almost all areas of government spending

@ljmontello @CherryDongerino @crowmads @AP Pretty sure you're grossly exaggerating how much of our tax money is being funneled to private businesses. Im not saying it never happens, but claiming it to be the entire cause of poor government spending? Do you have any numbers supporting that claim?

@Too_Many_Carbs @CherryDongerino @crowmads @AP You realize that the poor management of government is the direct result of privatization that funnels "your tax dollars" into the hands of corporations who run many of the functions of government that used to be wholey public?

@CherryDongerino @crowmads @ljmontello @AP I dont see that there's anything good about the government being ready and willing to run at a deficit, because that's OUR money, and its not infinite. Maybe if it were managed better, we could do a lot more good with it.

@crowmads @ljmontello @AP No. It’s not. Because unlike every other private business on earth, the government is ready and willing to run at a deficit. Which is the entire function of government as a support for the macro economy.

@PedroSu19680421 @Adam52691971 @JuliaHB1 HIV and covid aren't comparable. Nobody is responsible for anyone else's immune system. Run away and hide, but leave the rest of us alone.

@Adam52691971 @JuliaHB1 It reduces the chance of getting it and passing it on. It is like convicting someone who infects their sexual partners with HIV by keeping it secret and not using any kind of protection. Not everyone has an immune system that works, we have to protect those people from unvaxed.

This is absolutely terrifying.

@dunkfish81 @FionaWoos @random1966 @JuliaHB1 Go hide in a hole coward.

@FionaWoos @random1966 @JuliaHB1 Actually you are WRONG. Being vaccinated significantly reduces spreading the virus to others. Did you get your info from Facebook?

@ShawnShazim @DavidAschultz14 @TexasRed577 @Timcast I've tried to find cases where there's no doubt that they had it twice, as in multi factor tests for both incidents of infection to confirm for sure they had it both times. I couldn't find a reliable source citing cases of reinfection. If you have, please share.

@DavidAschultz14 @TexasRed577 @Timcast To start a new point of view the CDC is not your friend, there are 3 variants.. And a person can contract one variant multiple times..

Oh no

@Brad36880985 @sandymarro19 @BlueBoxDave Why not both?

@sandymarro19 @BlueBoxDave Removing a statue does not erase history. What history lesson did you ever learn from a statue? You learned history through books and education. Why no outcry for the history being removed from our history books that we teach our children?

Shameful.