
Tr3sLA
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It really is ready for prime time now. I wouldn’t have said so before v14.2 (only a few months ago). Again, by “prime time” doesn’t mean “sleep in the back, text, read a book, straight blade shave while your car drives you” ready. Still supervise it, but it’s pretty amazing watching it navigate construction detours, cones, pedestrian hand signals to go ahead, etc
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@Tr3sLA @Buzzdietyear @SawyerMerritt @Tesla I have. I’m actually saving money for one. I don’t think they’re ready for families to plop people behind the wheel from whom they’ve taken the keys and wish them bon voyage.
That day may come but we aren’t there yet.
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This 93 year old has found new freedom after she bought a new @Tesla Model Y with FSD. She also uses Grok navigation.
"Although she has always been a good driver, my mom can now drive without the fear or fatigue that can naturally come with age. No more relying on others for every trip. No more feeling stuck. This is true mobility that can spark new adventures in a still adventurous women!"
(via Dan Doyle's Family Channel. Full video below)
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Or anyone with enough experience with FSD can also say it’s “common sense” that most people that have never experienced FSD first hand just don’t understand how good FSD is, while at the same time recognizing it’s not perfect. We’ve had FSD for years, but even the last few months of v14.2+ we’ve driven thousands of miles completely autonomously, no intervention, and no accidents. Supervising FSD properly works and is much safer than humans alone driving. Seeing the progress and experiencing it first hand over the years (we’ve had it since the first public availability in Fall 2021), it’s clearly getting really close if regulators will allow it. You just need to experience it.
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Like I mentioned in the post, it’s not actually 8% kill someone. It’s mostly when I want to drive because I like driving certain roads a lot. And yes, I would still say even 1% or even “.0000001% can still kill someone”. Not sure if we’re at the “march of 9’s” yet, but as a society we don’t know the threshold yet of what’s good enough. Humans driving “can still kill someone” yet we’re okay with that.
You really have to experience it for even just a few days to realize how good it is and get a feel for what situations you can relax vs be more ready to take over. Again, we don’t have good shared concepts to help those understand that don’t know, but maybe think of teaching a teenager how to drive vs riding in a charter bus. There’s a whole range of higher attentiveness and attention situations vs those you can rest and relax or even sleep during.
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@Tr3sLA @kateiswell @SawyerMerritt @Tesla That 8% can still kill someone. Don’t eat ice cream while “supervising” ffs
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Because it’s a general use system (not limited to specific roads nor geographies), you’ll get a lot of varying experiences, but for us we are at 92% self driving after a few thousand miles (the self driving miles counter only started with v14.2 which is when it started getting really close to fully autonomous). We haven’t done cross country without intervention (we did drive cross country on earlier versions but that required a lot more manual driving for parking lots and such), but many drives around town since v14.2 are from parked to parking at destination without ever needing to steer nor touch a pedal. That is self driving. But there are too many situations where I still have to intervene like in most parking garages where it doesn’t know how to exit yet.
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@kateiswell @SawyerMerritt @Tesla Serious question: Do you have to take over? I thought the whole point was that you didn't. I don't have a Tesla so I don't know how it works. But do you have to hold the wheel and stuff? Or just put in a destination and say take me there and it does?
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What’s difficult to convey to those that haven’t had much or any experience with FSD v14.2+: as a society we have no shared concept of what is between an advanced “lane keep assist plus a reliable traffic aware cruise control” and “sleep in the back autonomous vehicle”. Tesla FSD is the most advanced we’ve got, but it’s still not completely autonomous, so how do you correctly communicate that? I’ve driven 8% manually, but mostly because it’s on a fun road I want to drive manually, or sometimes there was a necessary intervention. But imagine even the worst case with my stats thus far: a car that handles leaving a parking space and parking itself 92% of the time is pretty amazing, but 8% dead is the same as 100% dead. We aren’t there yet, but it handles the vast majority of driving without any intervention. And then there are those that are going across the country or 12,000+ miles without any intervention including parking. It’s really almost there.
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@kateiswell @SawyerMerritt @Tesla For legal reasons and because there are still too many cases where intervention is necessary, we can’t condone this. But the fact is FSD v14.2+ really is that good. After thousands of miles since 14.2 initial release, I’m at 92% no intervention, no taking over.
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But you’re not getting it. This post is just fine because she can take over when required. So your comment isn’t relevant. It could be relevant if you’re just reminding people it’s not unsupervised self driving yet, just like everyone who uses it already knows. Educate those that don’t know, but don’t spread misinformation “in the opposite direction” either. Supervising someone else’s driving is much easier and less taxing than driving yourself.
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@Tr3sLA @SawyerMerritt @Tesla Now you’re getting it. The larger point is that people think that FSD requires no driver input and results in people getting behind the wheel that have no business being there. You need to look at the larger picture.
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@kateiswell @SawyerMerritt @Tesla “There’s no reason to think she cannot take over when required” does negate your point. Otherwise you might as well argue “If she has no limbs, she shouldn’t be behind the wheel, FSD or not.”
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@kateiswell @SawyerMerritt @Tesla If you read the post, there’s no reason to think she cannot take over when required. And FSD is now at a point (v14.2+) where it often is just tapping the screen to start the drive and it handles from parking space to parking space without touching the steering wheel nor pedals.
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@SawyerMerritt @Tesla If she cannot take over when required, she shouldn’t be behind the wheel, FSD or not.
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@Ethan_Smartsys @DavidMoss I’m at 92% of my miles are on FSD(S). I guess it’s technically not “Full” Self Driving, but that’s a lot of self driving.
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@Tr3sLA @DavidMoss Makes sense. When branding outpaces capability, fix the tech or fix the label. Guess which costs less.
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• Navigate on Autopilot has been renamed to Navigate on Autosteer
• FSD Computer has been renamed to Al Computer.
FSD version remains at V14.2.2.5
Aka small update
David Moss@DavidMoss
New Tesla Software Update hitting my Model 3!
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@Ethan_Smartsys @DavidMoss I’m guessing it’s to satisfy (or negate) lawsuits around the naming.
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@DavidMoss An update just for renamed strings? Giving me 'change variable names and call it a release' vibes.
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@DavidMoss I only see it when my wife impatiently opens the door before the car has concluded the drive and shifts into park.
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I’ve never seen this warning before, is this new? 🤔
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This is probably better than the other approaches, but even truth without love can result in concluding that wiping out all humankind is safer for the universe. In a vacuum, “an asteroid with nothing on it” isn’t objectively “much more interesting” or of greater truth value than with humans. It could justifiably conclude that adding adversity or a sprinkle of struggling to survive as a species is more interesting, which requires killing some or many off.
An important clarification and definition of terms: I’m not using the word “love” in the way our modern society has perverted it to now mean just “like a lot a lot a lot” or “whatever gives people warm fuzzies and good vibes”. Perhaps harder to train, but the greatest value that must be combined with truth-seeking is the proactive love that relentlessly pursues what humans need, not just what they want. It would be for us and our good.
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@gothamcapital1 @travelingflying ChatGPT seems to be either picking George Floyd or refusing to pick one, while Grok seems to be picking Charlie Kirk or refusing to pick one.
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@DirtyTesLa A new “no turn on red” sign appeared at an intersection recently, and FSD(S) is obeying it. At first, I didn’t know the sign had been installed and why the car wasn’t turning.
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@teslavangelist @DirtyTesLa I think it always said “Capability”, at least back in 2018 I know it did.
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Right, I've been saying this too for a while. There's nowhere you can buy FSD Unsupervised.
This is unlike the old days where it was just FSD. I forget when they added "capability."
I've wondered whether the FSD transfer thing has some agreement somewhere that you are trading whatever you had before and now accepting the current FSD Unsupervised product.
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@TezLabApp @Tesla I tried asking how many more days I could park with sentry mode before it shut off, but it gave a generic response about sentry mode drain & not specific to my car’s SoC. Can this guesstimate be added to plan for extended parking, leaving car at airport during trips, etc.?
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Making good progress with TezLab.AI beta. We are continuing to make a lot of improvements and while still very much in beta, its really fun to imagine where this is all going to go. Huge shoutout to TezLab team for pushing hard on this and to @tesla for being a great partner. @elonmusk @teslaownersSV @TesLatino @teslaliving

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Fantastic pics from @JoeTegtmeyer of old and new MY next to each other. Note that we expect UK MY to come from Berlin so we have no idea which Red we will get (Ultra or Midnight Cherry).


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@Teslarati @tobilindh @Tslachan Variants other than Launch series (e.g. - the faster Performance trim) & cheaper but still a good trims as well
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👀Tesla seems to be producing both the new Model Y and the Model Y classic at Giga Berlin, at least for now.
Why do you think Tesla is still building the Model Y's outgoing version at its German factory?🤔
Credit: @tobilindh via @Tslachan
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