Verdigris

@QuetzalPhoenix An interesting thought is that when the wheel of history turns and violent conquest is back on the menu, someone is probably going to see Haiti as easy pickings and enslave them again.

He is not exaggerating btw that is literally how it happened. The entire nation is 100% cursed.

@emilyherbivore Yes, forgetting that we are also animals is one of the core sicknesses of the modern word, leading to all kinds of neuroses and maladaptive behaviours like veganism

Humans are animals. We experience emotions and feelings and guess what so do other animals. Why wouldn’t they if we do? Much harm has happened because humans see ourselves as separate from animals when we are in fact also animals.

@sneakynicorn @Timcanrun @vgn_karma There are literally vegan cat and dog foods on the market, why couldn't you make a soy protein based food fortified with synthetic nutrients and a bit of added fat to match the nutritional profile of a mouse?

@Verdigris4973 @Timcanrun @vgn_karma Supplements cannot work for carnivores. We are omnivores, our digestive system can process varied diets and we can consciously manage nutrition. Cats, for example, have highly specialised biology. Making a species wide artificial diet is far more complicated than us taking b12.

"If dogs and cats don’t have concepts of morality, then why do I have to develop mine?" x.com/TheLaurenChen/…

@MatteMartin2 @sibaburck How many vegans are "just eating fruits and vegetables" compared to those eating preparations of vegetables, legumes and grains into things that remind them of meat like curries, falafel, tofu, veggie patties, soy sauce etc?

@Verdigris4973 @sibaburck In the old days we just called them fruits and vegetables.

I’m not going to argue with any of you about this but it doesn’t take much effort to be vegan. Most people have the cognitive flexibility and intelligence to take their chicken cooking skills and apply them to tofu cooking.

@MayaBlahaj @sibaburck A vegan diet is unhealthy no matter how you structure it

@Verdigris4973 @sibaburck its genuinely easier to eat healthy on a vegan diet this is unbelievable lol

@theworstkirst @gunk1997 @sibaburck It was just an example of a nutrient dense food, obviously wild caught anything has an impact on marine ecosystems

@Verdigris4973 @gunk1997 @sibaburck Overfishing of sardines (and almost all wild caught fish) is detrimental to many different marine species. bbc.co.uk/future/article…

@Zaphispo @gunk1997 @sibaburck A good overall diet is so much simpler if you eat nutrient dense animal foods though. Also kale is not a particularly good source of anything, the high mineral content on paper means nothing because of the poor bio-availability

@Verdigris4973 @gunk1997 @sibaburck You should worry more about the health outcomes of your overall diet than the nutritional density of one particular food. Or you can start to eat kale at every meal I guess 🤠

@FallenGayms @gunk1997 @sibaburck You forgot: D3, A (retinol, not beta-carotene, which not everyone can convert efficiently). Plus a balanced source of DHA and EPA. Also most plant foods are piss-poor sources of essential minerals due to things like oxalates and phytates.

@Verdigris4973 @gunk1997 @sibaburck you need B12. that's it

@temu_radium @FallenGayms @gunk1997 @sibaburck Animals raised on insufficient diets are given B12 supplements, cattle, sheep, goats can get enough B12 from their diets if they consume enough cobalt. Pigs and chickens are given supplements because they are omnivores being fed a vegan diet in a factory farm (kind of like you)

@FallenGayms @Verdigris4973 @gunk1997 @sibaburck and also the livestock these people eat are supplemented with B12, vegans take it more directly and more efficiently

@sneakynicorn @Timcanrun @vgn_karma Humans cannot survive without meat without nutritional supplementation, why not put carnivores on a similar diet?

@Timcanrun @vgn_karma Because we can survive without meat and carnivores cannot? Isn’t that obvious?

@TBegoud @sibaburck "you didn't have to show that you're very limited on this subject", "be better". Just tell me that you think I'm wrong without doing a little passive-aggressive dance around it. You're not beating the stereotype of vegan men having low testosterone.

@Verdigris4973 @sibaburck Tu n'as pas obligé d'afficher que tu es très limité sur ce sujet. Pleins de gens n'ont aucun problème et encore moins pour se renseigner en quelques minutes sur le sujet. Sois meilleur.

@nickmepp @gunk1997 @sibaburck I used sardines as an example of a nutrient dense food, not say anything about its sloppiness relative to vegan slop

@Verdigris4973 @gunk1997 @sibaburck love the idea that sardines are a local, artisanal, wholesome food with which you can have a real relationship, and in no way comparable to globalized industrial slop

@MoundLore Atlantis

You can instantly know the full truth behind ONE mystery. Which one are you picking?

@slainbyelf It can be both you know, vegan food that comes close to meeting your nutrional needs without a severely skewed macronutrient ratio is usually expensive, vegan food poor people can afford is some combination of grain and legume slop

Yep, we are officially back to vegan food being "slop" as opposed to the unaffordable and unnattainable food of power and privilege non vegans were telling us it was um, a few hours ago.

@gunk1997 @sibaburck You need several supplements and "superfoods" grown in distant climates to match the nutritional density of a can of sardines.

@Verdigris4973 @sibaburck Its really not that difficult

@Skye_Melissax Yes. As it turns out, animal body parts are what is known as "food". I wish I could buy them without the plastic though.

You're buying plastic wrapped body parts and you think that's morally neutral?

@anishmoonka Loofah sponges dry out really quickly and have some natural anti-microbial properties

The research behind this is wild. Your kitchen sponge has the same density of bacteria as human stool. German scientists found 54 billion bacterial cells per cubic centimeter inside used sponges in 2017. Yours is sitting right next to your sink. Sponges are the perfect home for bacteria. They are wet, warm, full of food bits, and never fully dry between washes. Across all 14 sponges, the team found 362 different types of bacteria. The most common species include strains that can make people sick. In 2011, the public health group NSF International swabbed 30 things in 22 American homes. The dirtiest object in the entire house was the kitchen sponge. It was dirtier than the toilet seat. 75% of the sponges tested positive for the kind of bacteria that includes Salmonella and E. coli. Microwaving does not clean the sponge. The 2017 study found microwaved sponges had higher amounts of the smelliest, most harmful bacteria. Heat kills the weak strains. The strong ones survive and refill the sponge with no competition for space. A 2021 Norwegian study compared kitchen sponges to dish brushes. In brushes, Salmonella was wiped out within three days because the bristles dry out between uses. In sponges, bacteria climbed to about a billion cells per sponge. The lead researcher told CNN that one kitchen sponge can hold more bacteria than there are people on Earth. Three things actually work. Switch to a dish brush, because brushes dry fully between uses while sponges stay wet for hours. Replace your sponge every one to two weeks. Never leave it sitting wet in the sink. Norway and Denmark already do this by default, but most other countries don't. The detergent is fine. Your sponge is the problem.

@kauljade What moral system are you using to come to that conclusion?

killing an animal with a developed nervous system that can feel pain and fear is not morally neutral

@nxt888 Also East Asian cultures tend towards internal optimisation using exisitng technology while European states were trying to get a leg up on each other by doing something completely new, like find new trade routes or found colonies in distant lands

I need you to explain the timeline to me. For most of recorded history, China led the world in technological innovation. Papermaking. Printing. Gunpowder. The compass. Cast iron. Mechanical clocks. Porcelain. Centuries ahead of Europe. The Islamic world preserved and advanced Greek mathematics, developed algebra, made foundational contributions to astronomy, medicine, and optics while Europe was in its medieval period. India had sophisticated metallurgy, textile production, and mathematical systems including the numeral system you do your accounting in right now. If Western wealth comes from science and technology as a cultural attribute, explain why the technology leaders of the 10th century were not the industrial leaders of the 19th. What changed? I'll wait.