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@ThisIsSpartano @pimomormon I mean yes that is true. But ultimately there were two types of death involved. One that was instantaneous, while the other one took a while.

@Vikingpoint5 @pimomormon They died after nearly 1000 years a physical death because they were banished from Eden where they would have been immortal. It wasn’t just about dying spiritually that doesn’t track logically

God said Adam and Eve would “surely die” the same day they ate the forbidden fruit. Adam and Eve almost lived (according to the Bible) for a thousand years. And we’re told that god tells the truth?

@pimomormon He isn't talking about physical death here. In those passages the original translation means spiritual death. He disobeyed god and was no longer able to be in his presence. So in that same day, he did indeed "die."

The apologist narrative is “oh well a day is different in gods time” 1) how do you know that? We have no scriptures telling us that. (POGP excluded) 2) so god thought it was ok to lie to them, or confuse them? Seems like god is no better than Satan.

@WRogersM @MrCasey62 @patrickmadrid @relevantradio Somewhere between 160-225 AD

@Vikingpoint5 @MrCasey62 @patrickmadrid @relevantradio When did Satan reveal the Trinity?

If she can’t even understand the Trinity she’s in no position to lecture Catholics about the Bible.🤣 God is one Being in 3 DISTINCT PERSONS (Father, Son, Holy Spirit), not NATURES. Each Person shares the SAME SINGLE, IDENTICAL divine nature. They DON’T possess distinct natures.

@MuchoGrumpy @ATrueMillennial Yeah I am sure about that. Read them. Apocryphon of John Gospel of Thomas Gospel of Truth

Matthew 28:19 NLT [19] Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. John 1:1-3 NLT [1-3] In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. [2] He existed in the beginning with God. [3] God created everything through him, and nothing was created except through him. John 10:30 NLT [30] The Father and I are one.” John 8:58 NLT [58] Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!” Romans 9:5 NLT [5] Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are their ancestors, and Christ himself was an Israelite as far as his human nature is concerned. And he is God, the one who rules over everything and is worthy of eternal praise! Amen. 2 Corinthians 3:17 NLT [17] For the Lord is the Spirit, and wherever the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. Ephesians 4:4-6 NLT [4-6] For there is one body and one Spirit, just as you have been called to one glorious hope for the future. [5] There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism, [6] one God and Father of all, who is over all, in all, and living through all. Colossians 1:15 NLT [15] Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation, Colossians 2:9 NLT [9] For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body. Titus 2:13 NLT [13] while we look forward with hope to that wonderful day when the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, will be revealed.

Here's how a conversation between a thoughtful Trinitarian and a thoughtful Latter-day Saint always goes: The Trinitarian brings up the Creeds. The Latter-day Saint says "I don't accept the Creeds as authoritative because they are unscriptural and unauthorized." The Trinitarian insists they are simply restatements of truths taught in scripture. This starts the back and forth from the Bible, mainly from the New Testament. The Trinitarian brings a verse saying, "I and my Father are one." The Latter-day Saint explains that "oneness" of the Godhead members doesn't necessarily imply a full Trinitarian consubstantiation. After all, Jesus also said husband and wife ought to be "one." And He prayed for His disciples to be one even as He and the Father are one. Surely that doesn't mean we all become consubstantial entities in the Trinity? Then the Trinitarian side talks about "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one." Then the Latter-day Saint responds with "Let us create man in our own image." Then the Trinitarian brings up "Philip, if you've seen me, you've seen the Father" and other verses. The Latter-day Saint then brings up verses about the express likeness: "this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ," the Gethsemane prayer—"not my will, but thine, be done," the baptism of Jesus, "why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God," "the Father is greater than I," and the idea that the Father knows the timing of the Second Coming but not the Son, etc. Then the Trinitarian responds with, "Well, He's carefully crafting His words for the people and it's the Person of the Son speaking, so in a sense it's true," and brings up "Before Abraham was, I AM," indicating Jesus is the Jehovah of the Old Testament. And the Latter-day Saint says, "Yes, we believe that, too. But that doesn't mean He is the same as the Father." Also, what of the first, second, and third-century disciples—some of whom walked with Jesus Himself—who didn't hold a Trinitarian formulation? Were they not Christian? And they go round and round, pulling up the Greek and the Aramaic, and both come away at the end more sure of their own positions than that the other's is the correct understanding. At the end of the day, an honest neutral observer of this discussion knows one thing: the Trinitarian theory is not self-evident from the Bible alone. As the Harper Bible Dictionary itself states, "the formal doctrine of the Trinity as it was defined by the great church councils of the fourth and fifth centuries is not to be found in the [New Testament]." There is ample room for an intelligent person to interpret the text either way, and neither is proven correct. The best a Trinitarian or Latter-day Saint can say about the Bible is "my position is evident to me." But through all this back and forth, the Latter-day Saint has been debating with one hand tied behind his back. Because although we love the Bible and accept it as the word of God, we are not reliant only on the Bible. We believe God has given additional clarification on the ambiguity of His inspired but imperfectly translated earlier words in the Holy Bible. God the Father and Jesus Christ appeared to Joseph Smith. And just as they appeared to the martyr Stephen, they appeared as two distinct Personages, with Jesus standing on the right hand of God. Then in the Book of Mormon and subsequent revelations, Jesus explicitly and directly set forth His nature, removing all ambiguity. And these truths are confirmed to us by personal revelation from God Himself. This is not a contradiction of the Bible, just a contradiction of the Creedalist understanding of the Bible. We respect our Catholic and Protestant brothers and sisters who read the Bible through a different lens and understand the verses differently than us. Even though their understanding is opposed to what we believe is substantiated in Holy Scripture, we recognize their efforts to follow the Savior to the best of their ability and wouldn't dare call them un-Christian for what we see as a mistaken view. And we respectfully ask others recognize the Bible is not self-evident on these matters and grant us the same grace we extend to them.

@MuchoGrumpy @ATrueMillennial In no place in the Bible, does it say that they are the same person? Anytime that it mentions in any way that they are "one" the original text translation means one in purpose. Even the Gnostic gospels and the Apocrypha agree with me.

Henotheism is still not Christian. You don't have lesser Gods that can be worshiped as well. You cannot worship both Jesus and God as 2 different things and God just being supreme to Jesus. The bible says they are the same. That the only way to God is Jesus (because he is God). Jesus is God as a human.

@SteveMc74806767 @NotAFeeish @Mormonger There is a difference between being "saved" and becoming "exalted." Everyone is saved thanks to grace, exaltation requires work on our part through making covenants.

@NotAFeeish @Mormonger Yes you do: 2 Nephi 25:23 “For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.”

Mormons are weird

@MuchoGrumpy @ATrueMillennial No it's not. Because in those mythologies the gods were like a giant feuding family. Hardly ever did they unite for a single purpose. Henotheism suggests that all are subject to the father and are unified under the same cause. So, it still follows the commandments.

Yeah that is polytheistic with extra steps. That's like saying the Greeks and Romans weren't Polytheistic because Zeus/Jupiter was the supreme and mightiest of the Gods.. The bible is very clear about this and it is part of the 10 commandments Exodus 20:3 NLT 3 “You must not have any other god but me.

@WRogersM @MrCasey62 @patrickmadrid @relevantradio Our spirit IS eternal. There is no point in trying to understand the incomprehensible. Trinitarianism is Satan's way to keep people from growing closer to a personal relationship with the father.

God is infinite. We're not. Of a (theological) mystery, as with all such mysteries, we can understand some but never all. An excellent exposition of God and the Trinity is in the book, "Theology for Beginners" by Frank Sheed. You might contact @patrickmadrid on @relevantradio who will be glad to answer (or refer you to answers) to your question.

@MuchoGrumpy @ATrueMillennial We are not polytheistic or monotheistic. We are henotheistic. There are others who have achieved god or god like status but there is only one that we all worship. Everything is done in his name.

Funny how you didn't mention you shall have no gods before me and there is only one God. You guys always gloss over that because Mormons are polytheistic when they have to explain the trinity. And debating with one hand behind your back? That is the point, you have to demonstrate why Jesus needs to send another prophet 1800 years later. The issue of the trinity has been a thing since Peter was alive in the first century. You can't introduce new books until you demonstrate where the old ones missed something. Every argument you're making with one hand behind your back has already been hashed out and answered many times. 750 years ago St Thomas Aquinas wrote an entire essay collecting the arguments against the trinity etc and rebutted each one. But hey what does he know?

@WRogersM @MrCasey62 How can you get to know a god who can never be understood. Ask yourself why he does what he does. What is the purpose of saving humans who will always be imperfect? To what end is he working for? If you believe in trinitarianism, it ultimately boils down to, he was bored.

@Vikingpoint5 @MrCasey62 How is that?

@Maga_Abra @rayh8021 @fandompulse Plot twist: Snape IS Blade! He never died at the dock. He's a vampire wizard! And then we find out that aliens were involved the entire time! See... I can write movies too. At least on the same level as Hollywood.

@Vikingpoint5 @rayh8021 @fandompulse

James Gunn on why he only race swaps white characters: "That’s pretty simple. Because 95% of all superheroes have historically been white it makes sense as we start adapting them to film in the modern era that some characters who were originally white become another ethnicity to more accurately reflect our world. In most cases, it would not make sense to take a character originally another ethnicity and make them white because there are already so many white superheroes.” Should this have disqualified him from running DC?

@WRogersM @MrCasey62 I thought the whole point of building a relationship with God was to understand him. Your statement kind of contradicts the whole purpose.

@MrCasey62 "Impressive" in a sense: she got it completely wrong. Because the Trinity is a theological mystery, we cannot understand it fully. Her "solution" is to make up her own description, which is completely in error.

@MrCasey62 How could she possibly understand it? The concept of the Trinity isn't taught in the Bible. It isn't even in the Apocrypha or the gnostic gospels. In fact, it points more to them being 3 separate distinct beings with a united purpose. Where have we heard that before?

@imaginaryheat @JS9511606021086 That's funny. I dare you to read some of the gnostic gospels and the Apocrypha. You will find that they have more in common with the LDS church than any other religion.

@JS9511606021086 Because your cult is the most blasphemous thing ever created by man. Worse than Hinduism, Islam, even Satanism, and it’s not even close.

I never knew that X is such a cesspool of anti-Mormon hatred and bigotry. I understand the whole bearing testimony but I don't think there's any changing minds on here. The vitriol is unbelievable. Why do people hate me so much just because I believe in the Book of Mormon?

@rayh8021 @Maga_Abra @fandompulse Wouldn't that basically be the Blade movies?

@Maga_Abra @fandompulse Something I posted earlier today... x.com/rayh8021/statu…

@TrueHalfCrack @DiscipleFidei So are we just going to ignore James 2:26? If so then John 14:15 is also null and void.

@DiscipleFidei Is this where you start talking about a "works based salvation" like you have a clue what you're talking about?

@marcado_razon @jakemmccleary You are right that we are not monotheistic, but we aren't polytheistic either. We are what is called henotheistic. We believe that there are many who have achieved a god like status, however they all pay homage to "God the father." They all do their work in his name.

@jakemmccleary Don't Mormons believe in multiple gods ?

Them: “Mormons aren’t Christians” Mormons on every single temple: “Holiness to the Lord. The House of the Lord.”

@tnsampson2 @JustintheN3rd Genesis 1:1 doesn't say that all three are a single person. It just says that God created heaven and Earth. It doesn't prove your point. The concept of trinitarianism is not biblical in the slightest, especially when you apply proper translations.

God has been referred to in different ways, using different names. The 23rd Psalm, for example, reflects the compound names of Yahweh God (or Jehovah God), the covenant-making God of Israel. But when God was asked directly, He responded "I AM" (YHWH). God is not a being, but being itself. He’s not a worldly thing, like a table. “I AM" He says, meaning 'I'm prior to thought and to language; I'm prior to being.' He is the central organizing principle of all reality, which is why we call Him the Creator of all things. Mormons err greatly in names. They mistakenly apply YHWH to Jesus, when it belongs to God. They say Heavenly Father is elohim, but is often used with singular verbs when referring to the God of Israel, indicating a singular deity. As to being a single entity, you need go no further than Genesis 1:1 to prove that: - "In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth." The verb 'created' (bara) is in the masculine and in the singular, so we immediately know that there is but one God and no goddesses. From that statement flows the understanding of God, Jesus and the Spirit, and is the real basis of trinitarian thinking.

Exmo's and Anti's dropping the 'Joseph Smith buried his face in a hat with a rock to translate the Book of Mormon' like it's the kill shot 😂😂😂 Nah fam, we Mormons LOVE this fact! God spoke through a burning bush, healed with spit & mud, parted seas with a stick... so why NOT a farmboy with a seer stone in the dark getting pure revelation? It's a peak divine flex—He uses humble tools for massive miracles! Haters just be mad 'cause it's 'weird'? Good, because God's not boring!

@tnsampson2 @JustintheN3rd Here is the thing though. The term "god" is just a state of being. Even the name Elohim is not the Father's real name because it is plural. All we know is that Jesus is the son, the father organized his plan, and the HG is the guide. But, it never says they are the same person.

@JustintheN3rd Kinda interesting. He says God 'healed with spit & mud,'. I wonder if he's referring to Jesus healing the blind man. If so, he's just stated that God is Jesus. Now there's a Trinitarian thought.

@biggtegzz @arrakunrin The determining factor is the Spidey sense. Unless bats can nullify that he has no chance.

@arrakunrin Like i said, he has contingencies Prepped battles, minus that? He doesn’t hold a candle

If Batman is serious, Spider man wont land a single punch and in being dead ass