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@tenobrus @Impish_Bunny I feel strongly about it too in the other direction. It’s one thing to press blue in the regular version as a self sacrifice. But this scenario turns it into being an evil choice imo. You killed your own children. It’s not real life though so this isn’t a real condemnation.

@Impish_Bunny this one is even more visceral for me. i vote blue and if i ever find out someone voted for red in this i potentially do physical violence to them and certainly never speak to them again

You're a parent. All parents have to take a private vote, pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% press the blue button, all children survive. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only the children of red button pressers survive. What do you press?

@plasticolicious @justalexoki @TEvangelak96752 In real life situations where death is on the line, the blue button looks exactly like a wood-chipper. Because both can kill you. But when there’s no risk, you need the gruesome imagery to feel the fear of death.

@justalexoki @TEvangelak96752 People act like the fear of an imminent excruciatingly painful death doesn’t influence your opinion. Would you rather die peacefully in your sleep or die via a massive human grinder with massive blades? “It’s exactly the same premise!” 😆

you cannot reframe the button question. that makes it another question. that's not the button question. the thing about the button question is the way it is framed. that's the button question. there's just the one. you can't change it

@atrayonhere @RUGBY_STR_COACH You think psychology isn’t relevant in sports where you have need extremen endurance?

@RUGBY_STR_COACH Rationalist clearly doesn't mean most rational. You don't think new magic shoes helped? Or the generous wind? You think every other 2nd place finisher just wanted 2nd?

As a rationalist I continue to be disgusted at how psychological human performance is. Nobody in history ran a sub 2hr marathon, then two guys did it at once, because the other guy pushed them so hard.

@IcedMeatba3620 @c_h_e_m @KhoiFX @Mayzomatic If you ran a poll which was ‘Would you risk your life to save a stranger in a burning building?’ I bet you 70% or more would be adamant they would. Not to be cynical, but I doubt real life reveals the same percentages.

@c_h_e_m @KhoiFX @Mayzomatic With no communication (as in a telephone poll of people not discussing the poll on Twitter which has been done) blue wins by way more

I was initially a red button guy. Seems like the obvious, more intelligent choice. Everyone in control of their own lives. No one needs to die, just press red However there have been so many people arguing blue that it in turn makes them correct. Way too many people are going to push blue regardless so therefore blue becomes the correct answer

@KennyEdgar @c_h_e_m @KhoiFX @Mayzomatic If everyone coordinates on red, and everyone is mentally capable of understanding the choice, then the choice literally becomes live or die. Statistically, thousands will choose die. As is their right and I hope they rest in peace. But they knowingly choose to die.

@c_h_e_m @KhoiFX @Mayzomatic Even if red is correct.

@c_h_e_m @KhoiFX @Mayzomatic I agree, unless babies and toddlers are included. If there are gonna be 1 million toddlers picking randomly everyone needs to at least try to coordinate on blue. But if not, go red. Pressing red requires no trust, so there’ll be no ‘prisoners dilemma’ scenario.

With communication I think red becomes even more the correct choice. You could coordinate with your whole family and friends to be sure everyone votes red. That way, when the government of China and India force their own population to vote red too to gain world power, you still have a chance to survive. People who vote blue will die no matter what in a realistic scenario, because if communication is possible, many regimes will use the vote as a military tool.

@A_JamesFan @Aella_Girl I see you’re a person of many facets

@Aella_Girl Voted blue | Disagree

Did you vote blue or red button? || Agree or disagree: Intelligence is mainly determined by genetics

@ultimatecub0 @8Yards8Feet @gfodor The toddler thing, idk. The version I heard years ago specifically limited the voting to ppl with a baseline mental capability, but sure. The colorblind thing? Come on. Nowhere in the question is it implied there are no markers for the buttons.

@WagnerWarwick @8Yards8Feet @gfodor The 42% shows that about 3.36B will end up being killed by the death ray, whether it be a toddler just picking the color blue, a colorblind person having the apparent misfortune of picking blue, and people trying their darned best to stop them from being killed.

The red and blue button test is run globally, and while everyone is sealed in voting booths the result comes in: 58% red, 42% blue. However, there is a glitch in the global death ray, and a message pops up: “ERROR. PLEASE VOTE AGAIN.” How do you vote?

@JimboJones79785 @MrDustyBowl @choffstein I just tapped my nose with my finger. My friend jumped off a cliff. I’m still alive, and my friend is not. Does this mean tapping my nose prevented me from dying?

@MrDustyBowl @choffstein The red button doesn't "do nothing". Pressing it prevents you, specifically, from dying. That's not nothing. Also "go back to your life as it was before this dilemma" is only true if you have no family, friends, or a job. If red "wins" your life will probably never be the same.

The red/blue button discourse today has made one thing very clear: framing matters. Case #1: Blue Button is labeled: "Save Everyone (if <50% people hit this button, you die)." Red Button is labeled: "Save yourself." Case #2: Blue Button is labeled: "Die (unless >50% of people hit this button)" Red Button is labeled: "Live" Case #3: Blue Button is labeled: "Pacifist" Red Button is labeled: "Killer (blue button pressers die if >50% people hit this button"

@Lorelle281281 @choffstein #2 is not equivalent to what you just said, if you assume it’s common knowledge that everyone in the world is being given a symmetric choice. And that assumption’s kinda baked into #2 - ‘if >50% hit this button’ implies other people have the same choice

@choffstein So you think the below scenario is the same as the original? Because #2 fits it just as well. "Press red and live, press blue and ONLY you and NO ONE ELSE dies if >50% of others pick red"

@ezzyskii Asexual king

@morallawwithin So green and red are the same button.

There are three buttons. If at least half of everyone in the world presses blue, then everybody lives. Otherwise, everyone who voted Blue dies. If you press red, you survive for certain. Finally, you may press green to opt out, refusing to participate in these twisted games.

@xMoiraFox @morallawwithin Why do you prefer green to red?

@morallawwithin Wait this one's tough. I wanna go green cuz obviously but also I know that if even if it splits 1/3 across then blue people will die. I'm motivated to go blue to help those people but also I know most people will go green anyways so the blues will likely die no matter

@Jacke_Bee @Review_bra “If red leader loses he steps down gracefully. If blue leader loses he ritually kills all his supporters.” “Guys at least one person will support blue, so we’ve gotta support blue to make sure he wins”

@Review_bra "if blue leader wins everyone gets a puppy. if red leader wins he kills everyone who voted for blue leader." "uhm guysh the self preshervevhen opshun is red we chuuld vote for red leedir"

Twitter poll thats extremely weighted in favour of blue with zero chance of actually dying and blue STILL almost loses Not to be cynical but if this actually happened in the real life its gonna be like 85% red

@atroce01 @Review_bra Exactly. ‘Blue button’ and ‘red button’ makes them sound like they’re both equal. But the red button does nothing to you & the blue button can kill you. To ppl faced with real death, that blue button is gonna look like a terrifying death contraption, just like the wood-chipper.

@Review_bra Just rewording the question as people have been doing (woodchipper, gun, blender, whatever) already gives a red majority when all it is doing is making it easier for people to interact with the hypothetical by making death clearer

@CapacitAnas @ptrschmdtnlsn A mother worried about her child will pick blue? Why? If the mother dies the child now has no mother. The mother pressing blue doesn’t help the child whatsoever.

@ptrschmdtnlsn I hit blue. Why the fuck do I want to live in a world where we kill everyone with a smidge of sympathy? A grandmother is going to pick blue. A mother worried about her child will pick blue. Saying "Red is optimal so its blues' fault" is why everything is wrong in this world.

Blue button/red button, but let's vary the threshold that need to hit blue to save all the blue-pushers. For example, if 80% of people had to hit blue to save the blues, would you still hit blue? What's the *highest* percentage at which you still hit blue?

@ptrschmdtnlsn It’s not about threshold for me, unless some level of coordination was involved beforehand. If I feel confident that the threshold will be reached, why risk death? And if I think there’s a good chance the threshold won’t be reached, then the choice is just ‘live or die’

@Quinurum @jon_vs_moloch Looking at the poll now, it’s surprisingly even. Both red button and blue button groups have about a 71% rate of one-boxing. For the record, I’m red button and one box.

@jon_vs_moloch How the fuck is the correlation twoboxer -> blue positive what? I thought twoboxers would naturally pick red since they're CDTlers but i guess not?

How do you vote in the Button problem? How do you vote in Newcomb's problem?

@livcentra @queen_starletta Live.

@queen_starletta dont u age between 12 to 23? What else do you do?

"Age" she's 23

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