
everythingism
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Do you think the danger of current frontier models regarding cyber and biological research is as serious as Anthropic were making it out to be? We now have open source models approaching that level with few guardrails, and yet the world doesn't seem to be descending into chaos anymore than it already was.
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@AWar1586398 nope. I'm making the point that the risks of open sourcing a given model may be lower than many might think. I'm making the opposite point to the thing you think I am saying.
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one interesting part of thinking about marginal risk of open-weight ai is that the internet is already such a profoundly crime-ridden place. imagine if gangs went into hospitals in America every week and stole people's medical records out of filing cabinets. if that happened in the physical world, we'd rightfully question whether government still possessed practical sovereignty. yet american hospitals are raided constantly in the digital world and we basically tolerate it. the world is more capable of absorbing risk and disorder than one might think.
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@adamscochran Bill Maher has just turned into a reactionary old man waving his fist at the cloud.
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"They are becoming communist, so I'm going to vote for the party that seized private companies and made promotional government gas stations, but that also does illegal war, racism, rolls back womens rights, and is too spineless to have Senators who hold the President accountable"
Insane take.
Leading Report@LeadingReport
Bill Maher says he is open to voting for the Republican presidential nominee in 2028, arguing that the Democratic Party is becoming communist.
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The part I can emphasize with is that authoritarian governments can be terrible and also stick around for decades. When you listen to expats from Iran or Venezuela, they often favor taking action to remove the government they can't get rid of otherwise over respecting sovereignty. However this might be describing the motives of liberal internationalism more, where neoconservatism is defined more by defensive self-interest like you said.
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It was a good show but after watching it I started wondering about the ethics of the whole thing in the first place. On one hand you can say it's brave for him to have this total brutal honesty but if the woman was obsessed with him and had mental/emotional issues (and he even seemed to sympathize with her to some extent) is it really the right thing to do to make her into the character of a world-famous Netflix show?
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I watched a show called “Baby Reindeer” today and it might have changed my life because nobody so honestly depicted what it was like to be bisexual before to my knowledge.
Luckily, I had no rapey impresario or obsessive fan in my life. But I felt so keenly the feeling of not knowing if I’m more normal with a male or a female, or how to comfort a transsexual lover who decides against all reason that they aren’t feminine because some rando clocked them as a male.
I really don’t know if such a series made by an AI would move me to the same degree. Likely I’d be offended that it put me through so much unpleasantness. But because I know Richard Gaad is a real person and a lot of what I’m seeing happened to him, I stayed engaged and empathetic.

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The irony is that "AGI" could also be interpreted as the fulfillment of Marx's predictions about technological development. Some people imagine it as a state of abundance where the dynamics of capitalism have been made technologically obsolete. The right-wing accelerationist version flips this on its head and sees AGI as capitalism itself winning over humans. Silicon Valley tries to have it both ways...there's the message to companies that they'll be able to fire all their workers but also the vague promise that the government will step in and redistribute a small percentage of AI company profits to the masses as a basic income. All of these predictions are probably wrong but it shows how a vague, undefined idea can be useful to many different people at the same time.
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Ball centers his view around belief in "AGI" and says China's mistake is that they don't share this view. But good luck finding a paper or study that clearly spells out what AGI is and how we're going to get there from today's technology. It's more of a directional slogan that allows people to project their hopes and dreams onto the future and helps AI companies raises billions in investment. So I don't see how you can say he's 100% correct when it rests on such a vague foundation.
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People think whoever controls AI controls the world. Therefore the thinking goes, if China takes the lead and reaches "AGI" first, they will gain an economic, scientific and military advantage over the USA and be able to dominate the future. Furthermore, whoever leads could enter into a process of "recursive improvement", making it impossible for others to catch up with them. Personally I think this is a reductionist, exaggerated view of how AI is going to develop and there will probably be a place for both Chinese and American AI companies but this is how some in Silicon Valley and Washington see it.
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From 2-3 years behind, to 1 year behind, to now 3-6 months behind and the guy is treating an unreleased model as released. We've seen so much copium from the west, "they are still behind us", "they distilled our models", "why is Kimi founder not stay in US", bla bla bla.
But here's the weird thing, why are the average american so worry about some Chinese AI models catching up to the closed source model in US?
It's not like you are major shareholders in Claude/GPT, you are a fking consumer, and you prefer closed source model to have maximum pricing power over you, and decide what is okay or not okay to chat with?
The capitalism system in US are soooo good the consumers are worrying about corporate profits more than their own benefits 😂
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Mythos was announced 3 months ago, and no Chinese lab has released a model of comparable performance.
Chinese labs are 3-6 months behind, as they have always been.
Aman@Amank1412
Chinese labs now just 6 weeks behind US labs
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@DDDinesh1801 @hardiksd @travisk @DavidSacks @elonmusk If "distilling" the world's knowledge is not theft -- including training on copyrighted works -- how can distilling the output of an AI that distilled the world's knowledge be theft?
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@hardiksd @travisk @DavidSacks @elonmusk How stupid is this defence? Distilling the "world knowledge" in not theft. No single entity owns that knowledge. No one spent billions of dollars to build it. It is not trivial to distill the world knowledge. And if it is, why don't they distill that directly.
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.@DavidSacks @elonmusk
The Chinese models are distilling off American models… my guess is American models can’t legally do this without being sued by Chinese AI companies in American courts .. 🤔.. and distilling a Chinese model is really theft from an American company…
What should American AI and IP policy be here?
If distillation isn’t enforced against, then everyone should be able to distill from everyone else.. otherwise one arm tied behind American models’ backs.
Maybe systems need to get better at preventing distillation techniques, and problem solves itself?
Denise Wu@denisewu
There’s a large grain of salt!🧂 Kimi is still calling itself Claude.
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@rgigger @huskies20001 @dee_bosa @bgurley Yeah the AI companies don't have a lot to complain about there.
There's a slightly more justified argument that they have late mover advantage and are able to learn from what the American AI companies did, but that would be true of anyone.
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@huskies20001 @dee_bosa @bgurley The mentality behind “OMG they are cheating our good American companies that only have our best interests at heart” is very funny
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@Tril1boswagginz @AmeliaBarty The big AI companies are worried about them as a competitor. Why would other people be?
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@AmeliaBarty You do realize a sizeable portion of the AI community is worried about frontier open weight models?
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He's a former government advisor who came up with Trump's AI policy. OpenAI's president recently donated $30 million to a superPAC to help Trump win the midterms. He's not saying this in a vacuum, it seems either intended to influence the government's actions or is a reflection of discussions they've already had.
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He is guessing what trump would do. It's a pretty good guess given what we've seen with tariffs, iran, Ukraine, NATO, elections, etc.
He isn't endorsing the idea.
Actually pretty crazy how poor literacy has gotten online that people think he's endorsing this (maybe you don't think he's endorsing it and instead think it's just something he shouldn't admit he thinks Trump would do? But we all speculate on how trump will bully the economy.)
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That's true but OTOH countries can't really just abandon the USA. Americans make up 4% of the global population but 20% of global consumption, so everyone wants access to the US market. And same thing with security, some countries don't have a good alternative. But it does seem like we're pushing things as far as we can and at some point there will be consequences.
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@_everythingism @fredsoda Trump has proven long term deals with the US aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on
A President could make tons of great deals and the next guy can come in and throw that all out the window
It’s pointless to believe any US promised that extend beyond the next election
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there’s a saying that America is non-agreement capable
then you can extend that to the US being non-negotiation capable given the failed round of talks between iran and america
but i would go even further and say that the US is non-diplomacy capable
america can’t perform functional diplomacy anymore
this is its biggest strategic disadvantage in the years and decades to come
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@AsperBerger1776 @segyges @xctlot The American AI companies also engaged in massive amounts of IP theft, training on all the copyrighted content in the world without asking permission.
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@ShadowbanSlam @segyges @douglassmackey Why would he need to, OpenAI already donated millions to him
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@segyges @douglassmackey Trunp needs to extract a political price. OpenAI needs to change its RLHF to at least br open to rightist points of view rather than always pushing leftism and historical revisionism.
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@deanwball @segyges Given the specificity with which you described this plan to create regulatory FUD, should we conclude it's already being discussed by the government? It doesn't seem like this is coming out of nowhere.
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@segyges To be clear, I don’t think this applies to all AI regulations, but one can easily imagine regulations on Chinese models that are motivated by this. The Chinese would similarly not love a proliferation of U.S. models in their country. My point is: calm yourself down.
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@thdxr Talking about communism also has a loaded meaning with this government. Just a few days ago they were talking about how they were going to start treating "communist groups" (not foreigners but Americans with far-left views) like terrorists.
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This seems hyperbolic. I signed up for Kimi to try it, and while it's a good model it's hard to imagine people abandoning OpenAI and Anthropic in large numbers. The cost is not dramatically different, and the American companies have a slicker overall customer experience and larger ecosystem right now.
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Kimi K3 could trigger a crash of the US economy.
- Current stock market = AI labs
- Current economy = stock market
- Chinese open source models equaling or exceeding pinnacle US models = a crash of the stock market
- …
danielmiessler.com/blog/kimi-k3-u…
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