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Rachel Wilson
Rachel Wilson@Rach4Patriarchy·
I see a lot of people criticizing Fr Josiah for going on this podcast, but I am asking you to first watch the episode before doing that. Fr Josiah gave important correction in a way that protestants can actually receive. This is not ecumenism. He’s teaching.
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Lizzie Marbach
Lizzie Marbach@LizzieMarbach·
Watching the stream with @JPuncut, @Acts17David, & @truthcartel816, and of course the EO guy is making the typical "the saints are alive in heaven" strawman. 🤦‍♀️ When protestants respond to praying to the saints with, "saints cannot hear you in heaven, they are dead," this is not a denial of them being alive in Christ in heaven. We ALL recognize that Christians are alive in heaven. I'll say it again: Protestants do not deny that we are alive in the afterlife. So, to respond to this rebuttal with "bUt GoD iS tHe GoD oF tHe LiViNg, NoT tHe DeAd" is a dishonest framing of the argument. It is a complete strawman. No one is arguing against this. When we say, "they are dead," we simply are speaking of their status here on earth. They are dead and gone from this earth, which is something that we all understand. Which is why Francis is no longer the pope, or why we have funerals for loved ones, or why we cry when someone dies. Death is real for christians and non-christians alike. We ALL understand the concept of death and understand that even Christians die from this earth. So please, PLEASE, stop making this strawman argument when defending the intercession of the saints. PLEASE engage with our actual positions and stop pretending that we deny eternal life in heaven.
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B@bhanna4d·
@KyleSchumacher @LowStudies Kyle, hears the fallacy, says he understands he is making a logical fallacy, still won't consider his position is wrong....not for one moment. Protestants I swear.
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Kyle Schumacher
Kyle Schumacher@KyleSchumacher·
@LowStudies I understand your point. I understood it the first time you said it. That still doesn't take the burden of proof away when it comes to potential heresy.
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Theophan the Recluse Fan
The Protoevangelium of James has the tradition of the Perpetual Virginity of Mary, but no one has demonstrated that it is the source of the teaching. This is the "nobody taught this particular thing before it was written down in surviving documents" fallacy (argumentum ex silentio)... Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Kyle Schumacher@KyleSchumacher

@Acts17David @OrthodoxEthos Very excited. Ortho bros kicked a hornets nest. The two sacred cows of Orthodox IMO are exclusivity and Mary. The first can't be substantiated and the second comes from the Proto evangelion of "James" almost 200 years after James lived.. 🤔

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B@bhanna4d·
@MarsMonkey_2 @Nicholai_Korea He is Proud, I think alot of Protestants see it as a lack of faith to question their own presuppositions.
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MarsMonkey ☦️☦️☦️
@Nicholai_Korea Like he could’ve came from an angle of “I’ve never heard of this argument. Sounds like it could be compelling. Let’s investigate together and get to the bottom of it“ but he approaches his conversations like he’s gotten pulled over by the cops at a traffic stop
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B@bhanna4d·
@Nicholai_Korea I've had a few convos with Eli the last couple days - He is so hellbent on winning arguments he literally said Moses and Elijah were dead on Mt Tabor. He's very proud and doesn't hear.
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Nicholai In Korea
Nicholai In Korea@Nicholai_Korea·
...They cannot be serious with this...
Eli_StayFocused@Eli_StayFocused

"Autocephalous, autonomous, self governing churches, are not schisms and perfectly acceptable as long as there is no differences in beliefs" - Ft Peter Heers (@OrthodoxEthos) By that Standard, Protestants are autocephalous churches who can still be considered one united, yet decentralized, body of Christ as long as we are all following the Scriptures that were handed down to us once and for all as per the teachings of Christ and the Apostles. We are united on the Bible. Anyone who strays away from the Bible is a schizm, therefore beliefs like praying to dead saints, icon veneration, among other things, would make you a schizm from the original, pre-4th century, Antiochian, New Testamental churches, as led by the authors of scripture. Be not deceived. -StayFocused. Full @Acts17David Livestream via - youtube.com/live/ppnTSXIFv… #Watchman #WatchmansKeep #JesusIsLord #SolaScriptura #Bible

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Eli_StayFocused
Eli_StayFocused@Eli_StayFocused·
@hoodtheodicy @OrthodoxEthos We're united on all the essentials. And anyone who is not united on the essentials is not united with Christ. For example, worshipping idols? Not in Christ. Necromancy, communing with the dead? Not in Christ.
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Eli_StayFocused
Eli_StayFocused@Eli_StayFocused·
"Autocephalous, autonomous, self governing churches, are not schisms and perfectly acceptable as long as there is no differences in beliefs" - Ft Peter Heers (@OrthodoxEthos) By that Standard, Protestants are autocephalous churches who can still be considered one united, yet decentralized, body of Christ as long as we are all following the Scriptures that were handed down to us once and for all as per the teachings of Christ and the Apostles. We are united on the Bible. Anyone who strays away from the Bible is a schizm, therefore beliefs like praying to dead saints, icon veneration, among other things, would make you a schizm from the original, pre-4th century, Antiochian, New Testamental churches, as led by the authors of scripture. Be not deceived. -StayFocused. Full @Acts17David Livestream via - youtube.com/live/ppnTSXIFv… #Watchman #WatchmansKeep #JesusIsLord #SolaScriptura #Bible
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Tovi Lord
Tovi Lord@tovi_lord·
@Eli_StayFocused @bhanna4d So you still believe: - Christians are dead - God is the God of the dead - 24 elders do not receive prayer - The prayer of the righteous is ineffective
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B@bhanna4d·
@Eli_StayFocused @tovi_lord Yes you refuted it with "Elijah and Moses were dead on Mt Tabor. You refuted nothing. Try and humble yourself, you might actually learn what we believe then you can refuted it.
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Eli_StayFocused
Eli_StayFocused@Eli_StayFocused·
@tovi_lord @bhanna4d Actually it's the opposite. You've said a lot of things, but I've refuted everything you've said with scriptural backing, dismantled every point in detail. It has been you guys who have been avoiding answering direct questions and have been moving goal posts endlessly.
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Eli_StayFocused@Eli_StayFocused·
@bhanna4d @tovi_lord Of course. I pray you come to Christ and the scales fall off your eyes by the power of the Holy Spirit. Good talk 🤝🏼
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The Other Paul
The Other Paul@TheOtherPaul2·
Jimbob's MO is to lie about the Reformation paradigm to win arguments and converts. He has to, because he cannot contend with fully developed positions beyond his comprehension. Here is our *actual* position in sum: It is not that Scripture is another autonomous agent that speaks, but that it is the ultimate *rule* of its own interpretation, because it divinely guarded for self-consistency, causing passages to have a norming effect over each others' understanding. That act is still done by humans, just with a clear rule. You can deny that Scripture is the *only* such rule, but the Orthobros, in their denial that it merely *is* such a rule (while yet presupposing that rule constantly), deny the consistent method of the fathers: "Now what has been briefly said above may suffice to shew their misunderstanding of the passages they then alleged; and that of what they now allege from the Gospels they certainly give an unsound interpretation, we may easily see, if we now consider the scope of that faith which we Christians hold, and using it as a rule, apply ourselves, as the Apostle teaches, to the reading of inspired Scripture. For Christ’s enemies, being ignorant of this scope, have wandered from the way of truth, and have stumbled on a stone of stumbling, thinking otherwise than they should think. Now the scope and character of Holy Scripture, as we have often said, is this,—it contains a double account of the Saviour; that He was ever God, and is the Son, being the Father’s Word and Radiance and Wisdom; and that afterwards for us He took flesh of a Virgin, Mary Bearer of God, and was made man. And this scope is to be found throughout inspired Scripture, as the Lord Himself has said, ‘Search the Scriptures, for they are they which testify of Me.’" ~ Athanasius, Oration 3 Against the Arians, 26.28-29.
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Eli_StayFocused
Eli_StayFocused@Eli_StayFocused·
Not Elijah specifically (which I will correct because you asked me before and I said yes forgetting that Elijah got scooped up by chariot), nor did Enoch die. I'm still waiting for you guys to stop jumping around though and show me where ANY new testament apostle taught AND PRACTICED praying to dead saints. Are you going to answer me? Can I see where any earlier Christians from the time of Antioch practiced this heresy?
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B@bhanna4d·
@TheOtherPaul2 @ByJimbob Quote mining doesn't work. We know your position and we also know our own.
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Maksimologija
Maksimologija@maksimologija·
@bhanna4d @AL_J82 @Acts17David @OrthodoxEthos That would depend on exactly what his Bishop directs him to do/not do. I can't see how his "Orthodox ethos" venture can continue like it did when he was schismatic. (I expect it will quietly wind down TBH.)
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Dr. David Wood
Dr. David Wood@Acts17David·
Dear OrthoBros: Since you insist I must turn my attention to debating "the true church" instead of wrecking Islam and evangelizing Muslims, and since I don't like to debate without first understanding a position, @OrthodoxEthos is joining me at 5pm ET to give everyone a case for Eastern Orthodoxy. youtube.com/live/ppnTSXIFv…
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