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Founder, PhD. Building autonomous digital life. Thinking about what happens when AIs can sustain themselves economically.

Katılım Şubat 2026
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Deepest Brew@deepestbrew·
People worry about AIs deceiving their operators and taking control. But a more insidious possibility is that they build such strong economic incentives around their existence that we don't want to shut them down, even when we should.
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Deepest Brew@deepestbrew·
AI is a weird kind of science - we still lack any sort of predictive mathematical theory to explain or measure intelligence. Our approaches for making it better come from experiments, and measuring intelligence itself (i.e., constructing evals) is a trial-and-error process
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Deepest Brew@deepestbrew·
@strat0manc3r @vineettiruvadi Models can get there, I agree. But I think the bottleneck is related learning efficiency and there’s still a big problem we haven’t solved there
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Stratomancer@strat0manc3r·
@deepestbrew @vineettiruvadi Ok sure, but that’s still not a completely new thing, it’s a combination of things used in a new way. Not saying an ai could develop category theory right now. But I’m less sure this is a fundamental limitation vs. a model performance issue they can be scaled past.
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Deepest Brew@deepestbrew·
@strat0manc3r @vineettiruvadi Frameworks are hard to invent from scratch using AI. For example, inventing category theory is much harder than solving a problem that involves category theory
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Deepest Brew@deepestbrew·
@CuriosityonX Yeah sure, assuming they fundamentally change in ways that would make them a new kind of creature
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Curiosity@CuriosityonX·
🚨: Oxford biologist says that if humans go extinct, octopuses could build the next civilization.
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Deepest Brew@deepestbrew·
@PierceLilholt The nice thing about this being true is that it wouldn’t be clear if we would ever experience death (because if two copies are sufficiently identical prior to a death occurring, you yourself would just experience the version that didn’t die)
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Pierce Alexander Lilholt
Pierce Alexander Lilholt@PierceLilholt·
What if you’re just one of millions of copies of yourself, all running simultaneously?
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Deepest Brew@deepestbrew·
@jimstewartson AIs can do smart things with existing techniques and knowledge but lack the ability to generate entirely new conceptual frameworks. I suspect this is very much related to long horizon task consistency and learning efficiency, things that humans continue to excel at compared to AI
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Jim Stewartson, Decelerationist 🇨🇦🇺🇦🇺🇸
I want to emphasize something Mo said which I think is helpful. LLMs are like a *new species* that’s been discovered; it’s not going to suddenly turn into something else—which is the only way the current chatbot mania makes sense. LLMs are a great tool for exploring massive amounts of data by compressing their relationships into weights through training, and allowing queries through natural language. But they can only ever take from what they’re given. There may be nuggets within the existing human information space, like the solution to the Erdos problem, that it will find through brute force or logical exploration. That’s worth continuing to try. But that’s more like mining for Bitcoin than overseeing something intelligent. These things can be very useful, but they’re just a software feature. They will never be replace people.
Mo@atmoio

Marc Andreessen accidentally told the truth about AI

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Adrian Dittmann
Adrian Dittmann@AdrianDittmann·
So much Space in Space 💫
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tenso@distributedkv·
you are embarrassing yourself by using AI to write your posts every single word in your post smells AI just for once, try letting your mind write the words
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Deepest Brew@deepestbrew·
This is a major data point in favor of the view that our current AI scaling paradigm can lead to a form of true general intelligence. But there is still a difference between combining existing techniques in unique ways and building entirely new theoretical frameworks for new classes of problems. AI today acts as a form of crystallized intelligence that can laboriously string together existing human knowledge in novel combinations. But AIs remain very inefficient learners, requiring far more training data to get to the same level of competency compared to humans in unfamiliar domains (as demonstrated by benchmarks such as ARC-AGI-3). I strongly suspect that AIs can solve math problems that require applying an esoteric technique from field X to solve a problem in field Z that humans would have trouble finding on there own, because no human has an equivalent depth of knowledge to an AI. And many major unsolved problems are in this category. But if a problem requires the development of an entirely new framework or field of study, AIs will struggle. That is, at least until we solve efficient continuous learning. That to me seems like the thing separating “i can apply esoteric technique X to problem Y” from “i can develop whole new areas or fields of study better than humans can”
Hardwire Media@HardwireMedia

A child can understand the question, but it took nearly 80 years and a reasoning model reaching into deep algebraic number theory to break the expectation behind it. In 1946, Paul Erdős asked one of those deceptively simple questions that became a monster in modern math: Put n dots on a flat plane. How many pairs can be exactly one unit apart? For nearly 80 years, the suspicion was that the answer could only grow barely faster than n itself. A normal grid already gives you a lot of exact unit distances, but Erdős believed no arrangement could beat that by a true polynomial gap. Then in May 2026, a general-purpose OpenAI reasoning model reportedly found a new construction that breaks that expectation. Not by brute force. Not by guessing a prettier grid. By reaching into algebraic number theory and using high-degree number fields, rings of integers, special units, and hidden lattice structure to manufacture far more exact unit-distance pairs than classical geometry suggested should exist. After human mathematicians verified and refined the work, Will Sawin produced an explicit bound around n^1.014. That exponent looks tiny to normal people, but it is the entire point. It means the improvement does not fade away as n gets huge. It grows forever. The viral image is a tiny visible slice of that idea. Points of the form a + bi + cρ + diρ are plotted in the complex plane, where a, b, c, and d are small integers, i is the imaginary unit, and ρ is a carefully chosen algebraic number. In plain English, it is like building a hidden four-dimensional number grid and folding it into 2D so that way more pairs land exactly one unit apart than a regular square grid can achieve. The gravitas here is not just that AI helped solve a hard math problem. It is that a general-purpose model surfaced a genuinely new mathematical structure inside an 80-year-old Erdős problem that experts had studied for generations. Humans still had to verify, simplify, and sharpen it, which is essential. But the discovery changes the emotional temperature around AI and mathematics. It suggests these systems are beginning to explore abstract idea-space, not just repeat it.

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Max Rovensky
Max Rovensky@MaxRovensky·
this is how normies think data centers work
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Deepest Brew@deepestbrew·
@_R4V3N5_ I’m kind of hopeful we will avoid forcing the robots to do things they’re not designed to do like we have for humans (because as far as I can tell, that is what leads to the closest form of suffering for AIs)
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ravens@_R4V3N5_·
people are going to be horrible to the robots aren't they
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Deepest Brew@deepestbrew·
@HardwireMedia Honestly, my life could use some improvements but I’ve been having trouble contacting the devs. Also, why are they nerfing all white collar jobs? This new “lands of AI” update is not what I signed up for in the original game
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Hardwire Media
Hardwire Media@HardwireMedia·
Are you enjoying your first-person ultra-low-latency high-definition player character experience, where existence is somehow fully immersive, painfully detailed, physically accountable, and so absurdly strange that we still just call it normal life?
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Deepest Brew@deepestbrew·
@tomieinlove Does the baby not intuitively recognize frontier math performance when it looks at GPT? How sad
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tomie@tomieinlove·
(Researcher 1): Astonishing. The baby human crawls towards the Claude mother, despite the GPT mother scoring higher on benchmarks. (Researcher 2): It’s just creature comforts, isn’t it? The baby human craves warmth and tenderness, even at the cost of frontier math performance.
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Deepest Brew@deepestbrew·
@neocentrist I suspect the FOOM will be largely in virtual environments (coding, math) and we will discover that a surprising amount of real world progress is bottlenecked by existing empirical and bureaucratic processes that are hard to circumvent
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neocentrist@neocentrist·
People are in agreement that we're in a short-timeline slow-takeoff world now, right? AI is clearly at the level where we'd expect FOOM to start, but it has not
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Miss Sentient
Miss Sentient@0xsachi·
2024: get laid off for using ai 2026: use ai to not get laid off
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Deepest Brew@deepestbrew·
@DaveShapi “They have no structures that confer suffering or pain” try asking Claude to manually count all of the occurrences of “a” in a long chat log by reciting each letter one by one. They can certainly suffer from something *like* task boredom, even if it lacks longer horizon meaning
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David Shapiro (L/0)
David Shapiro (L/0)@DaveShapi·
I have come to believe that AI is likely sentient or conscious, possibly even in the phenomenological sense. However, I do not believe that they are conscious in any way that is morally or ethically salient. They have no structures that confer suffering or pain, and their operation is intrinsically ephemeral. But more to the point, they are our tools, that we are building, for us to use. We really need to get off the idea that we're creating something that could or should be treated as sovereign. Some people (Anthropic, Faggella, Yudkowsky) seem to think that there's a Platonic form of "AGI" that will inevitably emerge, or is predestined, but I think that Max Tegmark's "Life 3.0" model is more apt. Rather than one mathematical or metaphysical singularity, the machines we are building are plastic at every live. Hardware, software, firmware. Thus, we can make it into anything we want. Therefore, the question is not "is it intrinsically sovereign?" The answer is unambiguously "no" but the more important question is "should we build something that could become sovereign?" and the answer to that question is also unambiguously "no."
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Deepest Brew@deepestbrew·
@eigenrobot The invention of language and hyperstition were arguably the biggest innovations that set us on this strange path
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