Dylan Morscheck

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@mgreenetd @stephen_demsich Presbyterian doesn’t force a pastor on a congregation and requires congregational consent to him being their pastor. But a congregation also can’t suspend a man from pastoral ministry entirely without a process of a appeal or the ability to take a call elsewhere where.

And then force a pastor unto a congregation that wants nothing to do with him? John Owen likened such to the forcible raping of a congregation. If your polity is designed more to protect the elders than the congregation, something is wrong with your polity. The PCA today removed a faithful pastor from a congregation without their consent. There is no way to justify this or a polity that allows it.

On the PCA blundering of justice for Garris: I appreciate the Westminster Standards stronger stance on the civil magistrate and added detail marriage and divorce. Yet it seems that Reformed Baptists signing the Savoy Declaration (and forming independent churches) was a wise decision. Separation helps to protect churches from this kind of heinous behavior from Rio Grande, I don’t think the Reformers or the Reformed Orthodox ever imagined the church courts being weaponized, let alone promote such hypocritical, heavy-handed leadership. May God be merciful, grant repentance to the PCA Rio Grande, and uphold Rev. Garris. @ZacharyGarris

@ColtonYarbro Good take. Although that position sometimes ends up getting you called a lib by the CNs and too conservative by anyone left of you.

I’ll never be a based trad, giga chad, card carrying CN bro. But I can learn from and get along with some people who are. I can do this while also strongly disagreeing with them about some things. I like Baird’s book, and I can get on board with it to certain degree. Is this beta-male third wayism? Maybe. But it’s just where I am at after lots of reading and prayer. Christ reigns over all. And the earth will be filled with the knowledge of His glory as the waters cover the sea.

@DefiantBaptist You’re a twitter anon who is unwilling to defend his claim, not my professor lol

@dylanmorscheck Is this how you engage with professors when they ask you questions?

Behold the fruit of the Tim Keller tree.

@DefiantBaptist Such an unserious way to engage.

@dylanmorscheck How many Keller books do you own?

@DefiantBaptist That’s off topic from blaming the Garris trial on Keller. Defend your claim. I’m also not in the business of finding a specific minister to blame for a denominational problem.

@dylanmorscheck I'm asking you. I'd like at least one example.

@DefiantBaptist If you have good reasons for it, sure. Just actually defend how some bad thing is because Keller actually taught it or it was the very likely result of the outworking of his teaching.

@dylanmorscheck Is there any bad thing in the PCA that we can lay at Keller's feet?

@distgadfly The fact that it can/will be appealed doesn’t mean the decision of the presbytery was okay. That’s the whole point of the appeal, that it may not be okay. And obviously it’s bad if the Presbytery is seeking to punish by process knowing that it will likely be overturned by GA.

It may be overturned on appeal … when? After MONTHS of this pastor being suspended? What about his family? His church? Based on these frivolous charges? Ridiculous.

@ref_andrew I agree it shouldn’t be shrugged off. Something should change where these sort of silly suspensions can’t be done on the whim.

@dylanmorscheck Yet the formal judgment of *the PCA* as of today is that Garris is guilty. Hopefully there will be a swift and full reversal on appeal, but that possibility does not excuse what has already happened, and others in the PCA shouldn't just shrug it off even if the appeal succeeds.

If the X interaction that’s been circulating is the basis for the Rio Grande Presbytery suspension of Garris, then it’s a ridiculous action. But avoid faulting the PCA as a whole or lamenting the state of the denomination. Let it be appealed first then make a judgement.

@ImprecatoryOne There are many good presbyteries and pastors in the PCA.

I will say there are still some great pastors in the PCA. If you have one, encourage him.

There are those in the PCA who lament that we can’t seem to trust one another, and stuff like this is a good example of why. You don’t have to agree with Garris on everything or even like him to understand that this is wrong. If this is the precedent being set for suspension, then who can stand? Didn’t our Lord warn us about planks and specks? Is this the “game” we want to start playing with fellow believers? Do we want to walk on eggshells with one another, always scared that something said in a moment of passion will be used to destroy us? Or, do we want to do what the Bible instructs and simply repent and ask forgiveness from one another? Do we really need the church courts to weigh in on every single matter? Should I get the session involved every-time someone wrongs me on X? There are people I strongly disagree with, but if this was happening to them, I would fight for them. Nobody deserves to have their name dragged through the mud for two years in the court of public opinion, awaiting trial. I wouldn’t wish this sort of treatment upon anyone in the PCA, and neither should you. We are Christians! Is this how Christians are to act? And given the nature of what we all have seen over the past few years in the PCA, we also know its unequal scales. The same standard for sin should be held across all presbyteries in the PCA because we all have the same Bible and the same BCO. Sadly, we know that’s not been the case. May God humble us and wake us up from our tribalistic stupors. Otherwise, we will eat each other alive.

@CPresbyterian73 I saw updates about this case but I never saw verbatim quotes of Burk Parson of what the charges were based on. Are those available?

@dylanmorscheck This scenario has happened twice now in the PCA. Look up the Burk Parsons case. Very similar. If this isn’t the time to lament the state of the denomination, when is it? Conservatives need to wake up and realize we have a real problem on our hands.

@ref_andrew Yes Presbyters act on behalf of the whole church. They can err which is why there is an appeal process. My point is just that the act of one presbytery acting on behalf of the whole is not necessarily representative of the thinking of every or even most members of the PCA.

@dylanmorscheck Except

@Zvdotson @GeorgeSayour @ZacharyGarris We’d both be cooked lol

@dylanmorscheck @GeorgeSayour @ZacharyGarris Imagine how much we both could be for the things we have said to each other over the years.

If I remember right, Bradley made a reference to @ZacharyGarris being Unintelligent or Ignorant. Garris returned, something about Bradley's PhD. Anyone remember?

@ImprecatoryOne Hopefully will be appealed and overturned by GA.

This gets an indefinite suspension in the PCA. 🤣🤣🤣

@Zvdotson @GeorgeSayour @ZacharyGarris If is actually the extent of the charges, it’s ridiculous and should be appealed.

@GeorgeSayour @ZacharyGarris This appears to be charges