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@AltOpinions99 @Gattungswesen25 Curious which period of Marx and Engels work you are citing here?

so called marxists love ignoring marx and engels when it comes to identifying class. Workers, proletarians, are people that sell their labor for a wage. That's it. Professors dont own the colleges they work for, so they cannot be petit bourgeoisie, by definition

@avispartan1 have you ever heard of unions

Marxists will denounce each other as 'bourgeois' for having any kind of power, wealth, or social authority at all and then wonder why their movement never accomplishes anything and is always easily crushed.

@maaaaaaaagd @ProleBlues You claimed that bolsheviks were not workers, ignoring the extensive organizing that was done in the factories, trade union circles, in relation to strikes, in the workers movement. The revolution was possible because these links were formed to the class

@ellievrc @ProleBlues Your life lol, the entire point I'm making is that leaving the comfy tenure position as a professor to work at UPS might not be objectively the best thing to do

A lot of people getting angry at this and I gotta tell you: if you think the majority of the revolution is going to be led by college professors, you’re not a Marxist lmfao

@maaaaaaaagd @ProleBlues I mean if I thought the workers would just spontaneously organize for socialism then I wouldn’t have dropped out of school and joined UPS. I did that because I believe at least somebody should make contact and link these movements together

@ellievrc @ProleBlues I am glad we concur then?

@Vladislava237 I guess my question is, how do the workers organize for socialism if marxists never make an effort to link up with them? There needs to be some kind of way for contact to be made and these forces to come together

Ts is just weird moralist slop. Communism isn’t a poverty cult and you can be an effective one whether you’re a doctor, lawyer, professor etc, as long as you don’t adopt counterrevolutionary politics or engage in counterrevolutionary behavior

@NotPotBol Like for example look at all kinds of people employed in management. Many of them actually receive low incomes and have very little power as individuals. Yet they still play an intermediary role with regard to the class struggle, due to their distinction from the proletariat.

@NotPotBol I think there is a distinction between wage earners and the proletariat that you can find in Lenin. It’s not just about income but about the overall role you play in the social division of labor that determines your class position

I think in a historical context it makes some sense, but like in 2026 most have been super proletarianized… as have like most lawyers even. Which makes sense, That is always the trend.

@harbingerofwoke It’s not that revolution is just a strike, but that the political consciousness necessary for revolution requires workers to have enough leverage to advance their struggle. Historically coal miners served a vanguard role due to this ability, as did metalworkers

The idea that Marxism will naturally take off if we were to “grind the economy to a halt” is a completely false and accelerationist notion. If the economy were to grind to a halt right now it would most likely be the existing opportunists within the liberal and fash camps that would take advantage. We have to build a political pole that can take advantage of crisis, because crisis alone will never lay the foundation for Marxism.

@maaaaaaaagd @ProleBlues I like how lenin characterizes the concept here

@maaaaaaaagd @ProleBlues Sure but those intellectuals had to spend decades linking up with working class movement in order to fuse them together. That’s why the bolsheviks organized with workers and not just with other intellectuals

@maaaaaaaagd @ProleBlues it was the proletariat that made the revolution, factory and other industrial workers who formed organizations, launched strikes, and ultimately brought the soviets to power. the bolsheviks couldn’t have come to power without fusing with the class

@ProleBlues Yes it would be? The fuck? Do you know who made up the Bolsheviks before everyone was allowed to join?

@Comunizzazione @yiskaschwizzle if you believe that the proletariat is a revolutionary class then you should go to where advanced workers are concentrated and join with their organizations, to learn from and join up with their fight

@yiskaschwizzle Whats the good faith interpretation of telling someome to drop out of college and move boxes?

The amount of bad faith arguments against or misinterpretations of this tweet is through the roof!

@NCMEnjoyer Lenin argued that workers in particular industries were the vanguard of the proletariat, that their actual conditions of work and existence led them to take on a leadership role in the overall struggle. This was once common sense for marxists

The question is not about your individual moral choices, its about where the power of our class is. That our strategic power is in larger profit-oriented industries like logistics (not on campus) is common sense Like where do we need redsmore urgently, UC berkley or the unions?

@GBabeufing I know great socialist organizers in both of those sectors. I’m glad that I had access to experienced trade unionists who were able to give me advice and support when I was evaluating career paths, I think that’s something really important with this stuff

@ellievrc I agree. It’s a question of strategy where you send them tho, if someone can do well at school being a nurse or a public school teacher is a great way to achieve that as well!

I don’t think anyone should drop out of school, but your socialist comrades in the labor movement aren’t handing out pamphlets telling the masses to revolt and the fact you can’t imagine something beyond that is the problem

O’BRIEN, ZUCKERMAN REELECTED TO SECOND FIVE-YEAR TERM LEADING TEAMSTERS The International Brotherhood of Teamsters announced today that Sean M. O’Brien and Fred Zuckerman have been reelected to another five-year term as General President and General Secretary-Treasurer, respectively, renewing a mandate for powerful, militant leadership on behalf of 1.3 million rank-and-file Teamsters across North America. The O’Brien-Zuckerman Teamsters United slate was elected by white ballot at the union’s 31st International Convention in Las Vegas following a secret ballot vote of 1,572 delegates. All voting delegates were democratically elected to the convention by rank-and-file members from more than 330 local unions across the United States, Canada, and Puerto Rico. No opposition candidates received enough votes to meet the Teamsters’ constitutionally required threshold to challenge the O’Brien-Zuckerman team. “This victory belongs to rank-and-file Teamsters. When we were sworn into office four years ago, our leadership team committed to building a bigger, faster, stronger union, and that’s exactly what we’ve done. We’ve organized more than 100,000 new members, won historic agreements including a record contract for 340,000 members at UPS, and put rank-and-file members back in the driver’s seat. The Teamsters is now the most aggressive, effective, and respected labor union on Earth,” O’Brien said. “Over the next five years, we have a lot of work ahead of us. The Teamsters face big fights at UPS and Amazon, and we are prepared to tackle those head on with the militancy and organization that has defined our administration. We will keep growing and never stop working for the members.” “The Teamsters are stronger, more secure, and more prepared to take on greedy employers than at any point in our 123-year history. We have more than $1 billion in total assets, and our Strike and Defense Fund stands at approximately $365 million, providing the ammunition to take on the boss and protect our members,” Zuckerman said. “The Teamsters have accomplished so much to expand our ranks, exert real political influence, and safeguard our members in an ever-evolving economy. But we’re just getting started. The future is bright and the state of the union is strong in the Teamsters.” O’Brien is a fourth-generation Teamster from Local 25 in Charlestown, Mass. Zuckerman joined the Teamsters more than four decades ago as a rank-and-file member in Houston and later went on to lead Local 89 in Louisville, Ky. Together, they bring an aggressive grassroots approach to taking on employers and prioritizing member involvement in the union. Over the next five years, O’Brien and Zuckerman have pledged to continue the fight at UPS and Amazon, strengthen Teamsters density in core industries, defend and improve contracts across every division of the union, and build even bigger bipartisan coalitions to pass the Faster Labor Contracts Act and other legislation to benefit working people. The O’Brien-Zuckerman Teamsters United slate will take the oath of office in March 2027. The 2027-2032 Teamsters General Executive Board includes: International Vice Presidents At-Large: Juan Campos, Secretary-Treasurer, Local 705, Chicago, Ill.; Lindsay Dougherty, Secretary-Treasurer, Local 399, Hollywood, Calif.; Tom Erickson, President, Local 120, Blaine, Minn.; Greg Floyd, President, Local 237, New York, N.Y.; Peter Finn, Secretary-Treasurer, Local 856, San Bruno, Calif.; Thomas Gesualdi, President, Local 282, New Hyde Park, N.Y.; and James Wright, President, Local 822, Norfolk, Va.; Western Region Vice Presidents: Mark Davison, President, Local 162, Portland, Ore.; Rick Hicks, Secretary-Treasurer, Local 174, Tukwila, Wash.; Victor Mineros, Secretary-Treasurer, Local 396, Covina, Calif.; and Karla Schumann, Secretary-Treasurer, Local 104, Phoenix, Ariz.; Central Region Vice Presidents: Danny Avelyn, Secretary-Treasurer, Local 554, Omaha, Neb.; Pat Darrow, Secretary-Treasurer, Local 348, Akron, Ohio; and Dustin Roach, President, Local 135, Indianapolis, Ind.; Eastern Region Vice Presidents: Rocco Calo, Secretary-Treasurer, Local 1150, Stratford, Conn.; William Hamilton, President, Local 107, Philadelphia, Pa.; and Matt Taibi, Secretary-Treasurer, Local 251, Providence, R.I.; Southern Region Vice Presidents: Thor Johnson, Vice President, Local 79, Tampa, Fla.; and Brent Taylor, Secretary-Treasurer, Local 745, Dallas, Texas; International Trustees: Sean Cedenio, Secretary-Treasurer, Local 570, Baltimore, Md.; Willie Ford, President, Local 71, Charlotte, N.C.; and Vinnie Perrone, President, Local 804, New York, N.Y.; Teamsters Canada International Vice Presidents: François Laporte, President, Teamsters Canada, Laval, Quebec; Stan Hennessy, President, Local 31, Delta, British Columbia; and Craig McInnes, President, Local 938, Mississauga, Ontario.

Protesting ICE is not a crime! Statement on Minneapolis Anti-ICE Activists Targeted with Federal Repression This morning, June 16th, there were multiple coordinated raids on immigrant rights activists in the Twin Cities. At least 15 people have been indicted, with the U.S. Grand Jury charging “conspiracy to impede or injure a federal officer,” alongside a number of other trumped-up charges. The fact is, people here in the Twin Cities correctly and courageously stood up to Operation Metro Surge and built an outpouring of militant resistance to ICE terror. People from all walks of life were in the streets to oppose deportations and ICE agents. Now the government is cracking back. These kinds of bogus charges are part of framing community defense and activism as terrorism, and they want to intimidate and repress the immigrant rights movement by criminalizing protest. This isn’t the first go-round with the feds retaliating against anti-ICE activists since the beginning of the year, with attempts to scare the immigrant rights movement into submission. It didn’t work before, and it wont work this time, either. This is a serious attack, and we are going to stand with these activists. We should be prepared to defend all those who are being targeted and persecuted, and to fight the charges. Stop deportations! Protesting ICE is not a crime!

The point of thinking about classes is that they are large groups of people that (can) constitute themselves politically. Marxists look at intellectuals based on the particular role they occupy within society and how they have tended to act relative to the class struggle

@NiaFrome Not bad advice for individuals, but if you are looking to create a workers organization its probably a good idea to find ways to get direct contact with workers, ways to join organizations that workers have already created for themselves, etc.

if you're a marxist my recommendation is that you get the best job you can, making lots of money doing as little as possible, with good benefits and plenty of paid vacation time

@deephousegibbon I love all the so-called marxists who have been extolling the virtues of the education provided by the bourgeois academy

clear line of demarcation emerging on the tl between people who think revolutions are made principally by: a) thinkers and communicators, or b) the toiling masses