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Gilded Pleb

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“With the measure you use, it will be measured back to you—and more"

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Gilded Pleb@gildedpleb·
@MrHodl Be a man, define bitcoins purpose from your perspective. Set limits and boundaries. Give non-trivial examples of what is and is not the purpose of bitcoin that flow naturally from your definition. x.com/gildedpleb/sta…
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Ok. Define bitcoins purpose from your perspective. Set limits and boundaries. Give non-trivial examples of what is and is not the purpose of bitcoin that flow naturally from your definition. This is not easy, so, I don't expect an answer. In fact, I'm banking on that you can not complete this exercise. Prove me wrong! I'm not even sure I can define it completely myself. But I can preliminarily sketch this: 1. Bitcoins purpose is primarily monetary. Example: i can exchange value with bitcoin, and send my bitcoin to another address. 2. Bitcoin can have unbounded secondary purposes. 3. Any contrary secondary purpose to this primary purpose is outside the purpose of bitcoin and perhaps antithetical. 4. Arbitrary data storage is contrary to this purpose; it wants larger blocks while the monetary purpose wants smaller blocks. 5. Therefore, this secondary purpose is antithetical to the primary purpose and is not within the acceptable purposes of bitcoin. 6. This is non-trivial, arbitrary data storage presently abuses the system and should be deeply discriminated against top-to-bottom in all possible ways regardless of effectiveness to protect the primary purpose. 1. I have defined a purpose for bitcoin (monetary w/ secondary). 2. I have set a limit (it can not include a contrary purpose) 3. I have given an example of legitimate use and illegitimate use, both non-trivial (legit: exchange, illegit: data storage) I feeeeeel like I am able to meet my own standard in my on view (pending any refutation). Now, what does bitcoins purpose look like for you in your view? Can it meet or exceed this standard?

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Gilded Pleb@gildedpleb·
> 1. No it does not ruin my point, it was a true statement about what core devs are saying. "Einstein was a patent clerk" is a true statement as well. However, it leaves out the most consequential facts about him. Incomplete truths are misleading. You are correct, though, information theory proves that for any system which requires user defined entropy to work (e.g. pub/private key pairs, bitcoin) steganography is impossible to stop. But when Core "accepts" that use, we now enter a grey area where the intended purpose of the software is unclear. If the intention is to "accept" steganography as teleologically valid, this would *collapse* steganography into the purpose of the software. E.g. it would no longer be steganography, and running a node becomes ethically and morally hazardous. This is moral illiteracy. But what is that thing that Core intends that Bitcoin be? Today, github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin defines the purpose of bitcoin as "Bitcoin Core connects to the Bitcoin peer-to-peer network to download and fully validate blocks and transactions." What is the "peer-to-peer network" you ask? It's Bitcoin Core. This very software. That's how peer-to-peer networks work. Minimalism is indeed a feature, but this level of minimalism is comically ridiculous. Why does the thing exist? Why contribute code here? Why do tens of thousands of people run this software? Why do we think this is the most consequential software of out time? As you are well aware, and have argued repeatedly, consistently, and honorably for over a decade, the answer is not to "connect to itself". That is tautological teleology. By omitting any declaration of purpose (and forcing everyone to find it out on their own or define it however they want) the repository creates a vacuum that opens directionality to unlimited and conflicting oughts: without an authoritative telos, every possible agenda can graft itself onto the protocol, and no design decision has any fixed justification for existing in its current form rather than another. As if the whole of Bitcoin Core were the random output of a room full of monkeys at keyboards. That's not me insulting the Bitcoin Core repo, mind you... that's what the Bitcoin Core repo is telling you about itself. It prevents defining steganography as misuse. It prevents defining arbitrary data storage as misuse. It abdicates a justification for it's own existence and "accepts". This is philosophical bankruptcy. We now have three accusations against what Core intends that Bitcoin be: 1. Moral illiteracy. 2. Tautological teleology. 3. Philosophical bankruptcy. You say I am a developer, fine, as a developer, let me tell you, this is uncommon in the extreme. Not 1 in 50,000 repos is like this. ReactJS is not the "ReactJS implementation of ReactJS", its the "JavaScript library for building user interfaces." I don't need to dig through links, read manifestos, and query AI to try and figure out what the purpose of ReactJS is. Imagine if Satoshi opened the white paper with "Bitcoin: A Peer to Peer Network That Connects To Itself" Livera, you have repeatedly, consistently, and honorably defined and defended bitcoin as superior digital hard money: a restorative, censorship-resistant monetary technology that separates money from state and returns it to the individual. How do you reconcile your correct framing of bitcoins purpose with the intentional ambiguity in the reference client?
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Gilded Pleb@gildedpleb·
Guuuuurl what you goin through?
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Gilded Pleb@gildedpleb·
If you only understand bitcoin as pure technical minutia, you are woefully uninformed.
Gilded Pleb@gildedpleb

@Pledditor Meanwhile, if you learned about bitcoin from the purely technical source known as bitcoin/bitcoin you would have learned about bitcoin, a peer to peer network that connects to itself to verify itself and serves no other purpose.

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Gilded Pleb@gildedpleb·
@Pledditor Meanwhile, if you learned about bitcoin from the purely technical source known as bitcoin/bitcoin you would have learned about bitcoin, a peer to peer network that connects to itself to verify itself and serves no other purpose.
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Pledditor
Pledditor@Pledditor·
So much of BIP-110 is support is downstream of technical ignorance. The class of 2020=2025 watched Saylor podcasts and learnt bitcoin through metaphors. Very easy for a malicious populist to manipulate these people.
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Gilded Pleb@gildedpleb·
1. A real fight exists over what Bitcoin is for. 2. The demand that everyone stop having that fight is the demand for neutrality. 3. Only enemies make demands for neutrality. “He who is not your friend will demand your neutrality, whilst he who is your friend will entreat you to declare yourself with arms. And irresolute princes, to avoid present dangers, generally follow the neutral path, and are generally ruined.” - The Prince, Machiavelli, Ch.21 There are no neutral sides.
grubles@notgrubles

The bleed over from the culture wars is getting really tiresome. Please eject that crap from the conversation. What matters is that Bitcoin is completely fine despite all of the hysterics. You can use Bitcoin completely undeterred just like you could a decade ago. Even more so now with Lightning.

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Stephan Livera
Stephan Livera@stephanlivera·
1. No it does not ruin my point, it was a true statement about what core devs are saying. As for the fact that non-financial data can be spammed into bitcoin anyway, you're a developer yourself, so you clearly know that steganography is a thing, and splitting data into chunks is a thing. So obviously it's not possible to FULLY ban that kind of thing, which means there is no way OTHER than to 'accept' it if it is spammed into the chain in a particular way. It's just a recognition of this fact. 2. Yes I accept that SSD costs are spiking now because of AI/HPC etc. But if you look at what happens economically, it means generally that capacity gets built out, and there are typically cycles to this kind of thing. And even Huang's quote there is referring more to GPU-compute demand scaling, which is not the same thing as SSD production scaling. Run a quick AI query and you'll see it projects out something in the order of $25-$40 for a 2TB SSD in 2035, and $50-$80 for a 4TB SSD in 2035. Hardly an unreasonable cost.
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@gildedpleb @TomerStrolight You’re right, I don’t listen to music tailored for flaming UK liberals. If that makes me “musically illiterate,” your standards are nonsense. Not that I care. I listen to pleb artists far more often than the mainstream acts boomers got spoon-fed from the telly.
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Tomer Strolight
Tomer Strolight@TomerStrolight·
All I see is AI slop gaga AI slop goo goo AI slop gaga
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dax@thdxr·
it's getting to the point where we're literally running out of money money is a bottleneck kinda crazy
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dax@thdxr·
you're probably underestimating how crazy things are
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Breadman@BTCBreadMan·
Dear Bitcoiners who are obsessed with CSAM on chain. Just stop looking at it already. Good Lord.
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Chester@GingerSherpa·
@pastorcoin The gymnastics required to reject christ with the knowledge we have at this point is mind boggling.
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Gilded Pleb@gildedpleb·
@MrHodl 100% true. Now, you just gotta remove that "safe and effective" weight taint.
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Mexican Rug Dealer
Mexican Rug Dealer@DealinRugs·
When someone says “10 Freeway” instead of “The 10”
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