Joe Bruno

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Interesting. I agree there is an inverse in the narrative, but I would have thought you would have tied Cain to Israel/Joseph not Judah since 1. Cain is a firstborn like Joseph and 2. Since he goes off in exile and becomes the nations (he builds a city that becomes the paradigm for Babylon - lemech/flood = nimrod/babel).

@joevbruno Yes. Judah’s act is the inverse of Cain’s. Finally some movement toward redemption by the end of the book

Great question and a line of interpretation I hoped some readers would ultimately notice. Just put a Substack post together responding to this: jasonstaples.substack.com/p/jesus-judah-…

Was fun to watch! Regarding your appreciation of specific aspects of Christianity common to the Anglican and Eastern Orthodox traditions, I am a bit surprised, given both your and @CosmicSkeptic concerns around the problem of suffering and implausibility of an All-Powerful God, that one of you did not reference Open Theism (William Hasker, Greg Boyd, RT Mullins, etc). “Christianity” need not to be equated with Classical Theism. I’m curious if this is something you are aware of and if so find aspects to be plausible or implausible. Similarly, I’m curious if you are familiar with Jewish traditions that emphasis the “pathos” of God such as found in Abraham Heschel’s work?

Finally got around to actually watching this. The best bit is the debate over Advaita Vedanta vs. Eastern Christianity 42 mins in. Who won? youtube.com/watch?v=0W8emn…

@AndrewRillera Helpful. Thanks for the replies. Appreciate all your thoughts and scholarship. Looking forward to whatever you may write in the future!

@joevbruno Holiness≠immortality (nor morality for that matter).

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Even in Hebrews? (I see your critique in Luke-Acts on 232n41). Wouldn’t his appointment as the high priest in a new order be an instance of going from “common” to “holy”? Likewise wouldn’t a mortal body be “common” and a resurrected body be “holy” (not to mention the connection there with “life” - perpetual life)? In fact, the sacrificial language seems to come pretty directly in the opening of Rom 12:1 which seems to pick back up the argument from 6:13 and the earlier part of 6 is all about resurrection life from the domain of death (6:4, 10)

@joevbruno Paul isn't telling a story of Jesus going from common to sanctified as a sacrificial object. One of my critiques of Moffitt is that he imports all kinds of sacrificial meaning into the ascension per se when it isn't warranted (see p 231n41). Ascension≠atonement automagically.

One more point related to “So if someone insists on using Gen 22 to form *their own* theology of the saving sig of Jesus/J's death”. I think Moffitt is likely correct in that the death of the animal in sacrifice is only a small part of the meaning of sacrifice (I suspect you would agree). It’s about the entire ritual. The whole movement from “outside” to “inside” - from “down” to “up”. I would expect Paul to share a similarly “motion packed” view of sacrifice and atonement - as Hebrews. I suspect it’s not an accident where Paul places his allusion to Gen 22 - at the “up” of his argument - resurrection and “image” of God - the mountain of Eden.

@AndrewRillera None of this is a negative critique BTW. I’m a fan and suspect your points (especially the sacrifice is not a killing) to be at least more correct than PSA views. I’m asking these as a way of thinking through my own thoughts more than as a critique of yours 🙂

@pj_schreiner @MBTS Bravo on the selection

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@Antunes1 Sounds like Ted needs to read @jasonstaples The Idea of Israel in Second Temple Judaism!

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@PrestonSprinkle @MatthewWBates Also Tom objections to “allegiance” within the verbal context of “pistis” is also curious, odd and a little surprising

@PrestonSprinkle @MatthewWBates I’d love to hear a back and forth specifically on Tom’s objection regarding election of an “empty set”.

First @TGC? Now SBC powerplayers, @albertmohler and co.? Is this a new salvation war? Christ, in your mercy, help us avoid misinformation. Let's aim for unity in love. May the true saving gospel of King Jesus resound. Let's go beyond the salvation wars. youtu.be/tp3P0FYq0Rg?si…

Hang in there Matt! On the bright side, Wellum hit in on the head in that the objections to your view really does boils down to a different view of God (God’s own perfection is the starting place for SBC’s gospel) and a different view of the fundamental problem (lack of God’s perfection, sin). God is both the hero and the enemy of his own story.

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Totally agree (and I’m very much a fan of your scholarship). But even in gospel, faith, and grace, the conceptual differences and assumptions behind those terms and between what amounts to more “narrative” centric approaches (the “reign of Jesus as King”) vs more systematic, philosophical approaches (“universal binding”) are not small. In many ways it’s apples and oranges, football and soccer. There is much that simply doesn’t transfer across the different frameworks, particularly when it comes to priority. It’s hard to evaluate competing frameworks vs evaluating competing ideas while sharing the same underlying framework. Hence, TCGs critique of your work as “reflecting a classical Arminian argument”. Like the NPP debates 15 years ago, it seems like much of the critique amounts to a dismissal of football for not having a futball (soccer).

@joevbruno @koreezmo Great question. Not sure. My guess: I don't think NPP is the major issue, since it is in the background rather the foreground. I treat gospel, faith, grace, and yes, works from Scripture in its Jewish and early Christian context, but the first 3 categories drive my analysis.

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