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The riding in a robot car feeling hasn’t gotten any less wondrous yet.
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joy larkin
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Technologist. AI Marketing & Comms/GTM/Community. Prev: AI, Infra, OSS startups — 3x exits. I like robots & I'm excited for Superintelligence. NJ/PHL✈SF ♥︎
SF Bay Area Katılım Kasım 2006
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If people outside of China can't download the model weights...then?
Jukan@jukan05
FT: CHINA’S MINISTRY OF COMMERCE HAS DISCUSSED WITH AI COMPANIES, INCLUDING ALIBABA, BYTEDANCE, AND ZHIPU AI, POSSIBLE RESTRICTIONS ON THE OVERSEAS TRANSFER OF KEY DATA USED TO TRAIN AI MODELS, AS WELL AS ON FOREIGN USERS DOWNLOADING MODEL WEIGHTS. HOWEVER, CHINA PLANS TO CONTINUE ALLOWING OVERSEAS CUSTOMERS TO ACCESS THESE MODELS AND SERVICES.
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@PhillyKD_ United has a Newark <> Philly connection, which works the same way. It's a puddle jumper and the crew said they just fly back and forth between the airports a couple times each day. I've taken it when I couldn't get a direct flight from the West Coast to PHL.
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<subtweet> We're in the geopolitical crashout phase of tpot I see. </subtweet>
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@mikekalilmfg I mean, if it works (mature enough for adoption), why not go for it?
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$1 billion would be ablit the same as raising $200-400 million in China, which happens every other day. That’s a conservative estimate too.
X Square Robot, which is developing a wheeled humanoid helper for homes, has raised at least $600 million, which would be equivalent to $2-4 billion in the US.
$1 billion is not enough.
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I wonder how much they’re trying to raise. It could be $1 billion+ imo.
TBPN@tbpn
Sunday Robotics CEO @tonyzzhao believes home robots only need to master a handful of chores before they become indispensable. "What is the minimum number of tasks that a robot needs to do to justify its own existence so that people love having it in their homes? I actually think the list is pretty short. The tasks are pretty repetitive. You just need to learn it and just keep doing that over and over again, like folding shirts or loading dishwashers."
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@ClementDelangue @sriramk From which country though and with which guardrails?
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The Xi Jinping speech on AI was striking in that it championed both openness and AI safety.
However China is not as open to non-Chinese companies as the rest of the world is open to Chinese companies. Changing that is foundational for real credibility on 'openness'.
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@hidesinafield @bgurley ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Well, it catches the attention of the managerial class as supply chains of all types are entwined.
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The way to think about “open” in software is being a low-cost producer (vs a high margin one). When a company (or 2) achieves record valuations in record time, that rightfully attracts competition (as it should). We need to let the free market work.
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@vasuman As a founder, you need to be thinking about a secure intelligence supply chain and how that affects procurement for your users, customers, and prospects.
And if they don't ask about security, then that is actually a negative signal for you (they went to your competitors).
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There's a lot of noise around AI regulation these days as Kimi, Qwen, and GLM keep surpassing people's expectations of what open-source AI is capable of.
I said this a year ago, and I will say it again. 3 things are true:
- You cannot stop open-source progress. You can try, and maybe even pretend you have, but you cannot stop it.
- The US may regulate, but China will not.
- There are perverse incentives at play for the AI labs, as well as the VCs and government officials with their wealth tied up in them. Open-source hurts their narrative, so they paint it as a demon to be stopped in the hopes that their AI bags stay secure. In reality, all this does is guarantee China's success over the United States.
Do I think an open-source superintelligence available to everyone, including every bad actor, is a good thing? Absolutely not.
Do I think there's anything we can do to stop it globally? Absolutely not. China will not play by our rules.
The only way to proceed is forward.
vas@vasuman
You can have your personal opinions about AI safety, but what you cannot deny is that the rest of the world does not play by our rules. The more legislation the United States passes around AI in the name of regulation and safety, the slower our progress becomes. Our regulation will only matter if every country around the world does the same, and I promise you China will not. They understand that the first country to achieve ASI wins.
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@signulll It's about secure intelligence supply chains, vendor risk and procurement.
There are already secure software supply chain controls, they're just not talked about on this app.
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ironically doing this would be highly highly unamerican.
this would lead to equality of outcomes, instead of equality of opportunities.
that is fundamentally against the american ethos.
Polymarket@Polymarket
JUST IN: Trump officials are reportedly weighing blocking U.S. access to top Chinese AI models.
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@bovaird_zach @ZackKorman No, it's largely about secure (intelligence) supply chain, vendor risk, and procurement.
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@ZackKorman Isn’t this actually a free speech issue? The code itself falls under 1st amendment, but the actions it takes doesn’t? And since corporations are “people” under US Law, would this ban hold up without national security implications?
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According to Axios, the US is considering banning Chinese open-weight models. They're going to say it's about cybersecurity, which is a complete lie.
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@hidesinafield @bgurley Still big concerns about model safety, lack of guardrails, and such. There is plenty of evidence, including: boozallen.com/expertise/cybe…
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If I was an investor, I would be asking portcos how they secure their intelligence supply chain and how they plan to communicate that to users, customers and prospects.
And I mean against direct/indirect intelligence supply chain risks, not what some anons feel should happen.
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Some of the loud VC & founder voices touting Chinese open weights models as an option for the past few months were pushing for that type of end game.
Now there's a few competitive US open models (and more to come), they've gotten closer to what they wanted (cheaper intelligence).
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Now if there is something US should NOT do is to setup rules so that Chinese models can't be used inside the US, *unless* OpenAI / Anthropic release Chinese-level open weight models. Otherwise for the sake of selling AI internally you create a systematic internal disadvantage.
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@mweinbach There's already control rules for technology, but they aren't usually spoken about on this app.
This development is not a shock if you know anything about secure (software, I mean intelligence) supply chains, risk management, and procurement.
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If they do this it’ll go down as one of the stupidest moves in history
You don’t restrict it, you loosen restrictions in our models to actually Be useful against those and encourage more and faster innovation for frontier models here
MTS@MTSlive
SITUATION BREWING: The Trump administration is considering restricting cutting-edge Chinese AI models, with momentum reviving after the launch of Kimi K3, per Axios.
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There's already control rules for technology, but they aren't usually spoken about on this app.
This development is not a shock if you know anything about secure (software, I mean intelligence) supply chains, risk management, and procurement.
Jukan@jukan05
Damn, this is exactly what @deanwball said, isn’t it?
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U.S. EYES TOUGHER CURBS ON CHINESE AI
THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS REPORTEDLY CONSIDERING STRICTER RULES ON CHINESE AI MODELS AFTER THE LAUNCH OF MOONSHOT AI’S KIMI K3. OPTIONS INCLUDE REQUIRING U.S. HOSTING PROVIDERS TO GUARANTEE THE SECURITY OF CHINESE MODELS AND ACCEPT LIABILITY FOR BREACHES, ALONGSIDE POTENTIAL PROCUREMENT BANS AND EXPORT BLACKLIST MEASURES, AS WASHINGTON RESPONDS TO CHINA’S RAPID AI ADVANCES.
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@jukan05 @deanwball There's already control rules for technology, but they aren't usually spoken about on this app.
This development is not a shock if you know anything about secure (software, I mean intelligence) supply chains, risk management, and procurement. Dean is right.
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Damn, this is exactly what @deanwball said, isn’t it?
Jukan@jukan05
U.S. EYES TOUGHER CURBS ON CHINESE AI THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS REPORTEDLY CONSIDERING STRICTER RULES ON CHINESE AI MODELS AFTER THE LAUNCH OF MOONSHOT AI’S KIMI K3. OPTIONS INCLUDE REQUIRING U.S. HOSTING PROVIDERS TO GUARANTEE THE SECURITY OF CHINESE MODELS AND ACCEPT LIABILITY FOR BREACHES, ALONGSIDE POTENTIAL PROCUREMENT BANS AND EXPORT BLACKLIST MEASURES, AS WASHINGTON RESPONDS TO CHINA’S RAPID AI ADVANCES.
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@peterwildeford That was my stark impression, the waiting period is really for domestic and geopolitical reasons.
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Interesting to see both recent Chinese AI model releases - Qwen 3.8 and Kimi K3 - announce their intent to go open weight without actually releasing weights yet.
...This does make me wonder whether Chinese regulators are weighing the decision behind closed doors. 🇨🇳🤔
Qwen@Alibaba_Qwen
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