@rickbrennanjr The latter. Catholisism is it's own religion, it's not Christianity.
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Catholics will point to 2 Maccabees 12:39–46 as the scriptural basis for the doctrine of purgatory. What would be a good Protestant response?
Protestants would first note that 2 Maccabees was not received as inspired Scripture within Judaism and was not universally recognized as canonical in the early church. But even setting the canonical question aside, the larger issue remains: does the doctrine of purgatory cohere with the whole of Scripture?
When we step back and look at the full biblical witness, the answer is no.
Scripture consistently teaches that Christ’s atoning work is complete and sufficient:
•“The blood of Jesus… cleanses us from all sin” (1 John 1:7);
•“By a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified” (Heb 10:14); and,
•“There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” (Rom 8:1).
The idea of a post-death purification by fire implies that Christ’s work is not fully sufficient to deal with sin, and that something remains to be paid or purged. But the New Testament repeatedly affirms that Christ bore our sins fully and finally.
Even in the passage cited, 2 Maccabees 12 describes prayers for the dead in a specific historical context. It does not clearly teach a developed doctrine of purgatory as later defined by Rome. It is a narrative, not a systematic doctrine.
So the real question is this: Do we build doctrine on a disputed text, or on the clear and repeated teaching of Scripture that Christ’s work has fully accomplished our redemption?
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@farmingandJesus @rosesarewred How do they interperate that Scripture so wrong all the time?! You can't twist Scripture to suit your man-made religion
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No he’s not.
Jesus Christ is the head of the whole Christian church, our Father in heaven is our holy Father, and the Holy Spirit is the teacher of all Christians.
I use scripture to back my words. You do not.
Jesus:
Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
Holy Spirit:
1 John 2:27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all thingsand as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.
Father:
Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
HOLY FATHER: Jesus refers to my father in heaven as such 👇🏻
John 17:11 And I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are one."
Pope Respecter@poperespecter1
This is the head of the whole Church and the father and teacher of all Christians.
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Roman Catholicism and biblical Christianity have very little in common.
Rome shares far more with the religious practices of the Pharisees: self-righteousness, man-made traditions, external rituals, superstitious practices, and human authority elevated above Scripture.
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@MFWitches CNN 😂The biggest sufferer of TDS in the country after the clowns on the view
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In Australia it would be about 95 percent …
Melanie Hinds@hinds_mela61795
Breaking: CNN claims 75% American want Donald Trump impeached, prosecuted, and imprisoned. What do you think about this?
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@Biffo777 @MFWitches They're not!! We'd be lucky to have a PM that put the people first, not the WEF or Ch*na
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@MFWitches Didn’t realise mental health problems were that bad down under 😂
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@SavvyTamz_57 Catholisism is a religion of it's own, it's not Christianity. I'm not saying Catholics can't be Christians but I sure hope they're praying to Jesus and not Mary, Peter or the pope. John 14:6
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@OperHealAmerica Spot on. Jesus said no one comes to the Father but through me. Not through Mary, Peter or a Pope. That's all man-made up, not Biblical.
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For all the Catholics who wrongly believe Jesus designated Peter as the first Pope:
Wrong.
See 1 Peter 5:1 written by Peter!😂🤣
Also, Paul publicly rebukes Peter in Gal. 2, which would never happen to an infallible head (Pope).
Additionally, Peter was the apostle to the Jews, not Rome. Paul writes to the Romans in the book of Romans and never once mentions Peter being there or in charge.
Jesus also repeats the exact same binding-and-loosing authority TO ALL OF HIS DISCIPLES in Matthew 18:18 that He does with just Peter in Matthew 16:19.
Finally, it was Peter's CONFESSION in Matthew 16:16 that represented 'the Rock' that Jesus said He would build the Church on--NOT PETER THE MAN!
THE REAL ROCK IS JESUS!👇
In 1 Corinthians 3:11, Paul writes, “For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.”
Paul calls Jesus the rock later in the same letter—1 Corinthians 10:4—saying the Israelites “drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, AND THE ROCK WAS CHRIST.”
Well that was easy.😇
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@FreeStateWill @mamboitaliano__ "The pope is the vicar of Christ on earth"... What does that even mean???!
Last time I read the Bible, Jesus said no one comes to the Father except through Me and that Jesus is seated on the thone at the right hand of God. Catholisism and Christianity are 2 different things
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@mamboitaliano__ Where in the Bible does it say Peter had an untouchable throne?
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Is there anyone else here, besides me, who has always supported President Donald Trump 🇺🇸 but is now seriously struggling because enough is enough?
The Pope is the Vicar of Christ on Earth, seated on the throne of Saint Peter
And the Throne of Peter is not to be touched ✝️
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• Who Peter was:
• A disciple and apostle of Jesus (Matthew 4:18-20, Mark 1:16-18).
• Jesus famously said to him: “You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church” (Matthew 16:18). This is often interpreted as Jesus founding the church on Peter’s confession of faith (that Jesus is the Messiah) or on Peter’s leadership role—not that Peter himself was the church.
• Peter preached at Pentecost (Acts 2), performed miracles, and helped spread the gospel, especially to Jews and later Gentiles (Acts 10).
• He wrote two letters in the New Testament: 1 Peter and 2 Peter.
• He was a central figure in the early Christian community but remained a human apostle, not an institution.
• What the “church” is in the Bible:
• The word “church” (Greek: ekklēsia) means “assembly” or “called-out ones.”
• It refers to the community of believers in Jesus Christ—not a building, not a single person, and not a denomination.
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You can’t argue with scripture. The Rock is Christ. Not Peter. And he was never a pope.
1 Corinthians 10:4 "And all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ."
Paul connects this to the water from the rock in the wilderness (Exodus 17), portraying the pre-incarnate Christ as the sustaining Rock for Israel.
Psalm 118:22 (quoted by Jesus and others) "The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone."
Jesus applies this to Himself in Matthew 21:42, Mark 12:10-11, and Luke 20:17.
Acts 4:11 Peter declares: "This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone."
Ephesians 2:20 The church is "built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone."
1 Peter 2:4-8 Peter describes Jesus as "a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious," a "cornerstone chosen and precious," and for unbelievers "a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense."
1 Corinthians 3:11 "For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ." (Emphasizing Christ as the sole foundation.)
Matthew 7:24-25 Jesus describes the wise person as one who hears His words and builds "his house on the rock" (implying obedience to Him as the stable foundation).
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@EarnurHKG @0hour1 @grok The Church is not the Catholic Church. The Church is the body of Christ. The Catholic Church fucked children. For a very long time. You pray to Christ. Not the Pope.
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@ChiefAgenteer @allenanalysis China don't want a security pact with Australia. They want Australia. The sooner people wake up to that the better but while we have politicians who are on their payroll.....
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As an Australian I think the government here needs to go further and suggest to the US that any further financial damage to the citizens of Australia through US foreign policy would mean a rethink of the alliance entirely.
Quite honestly Australia is better off having a security pact with China, who is our most important trading partner.
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Australia just said no.
Britain said no. Australia said no.
America’s two closest Five Eyes allies — the countries that have followed Washington into every military engagement for 80 years — just publicly refused to join the Strait of Hormuz blockade.
Australia’s statement didn’t just decline. It delivered a verdict:
“The best way to get lasting peace — and to ensure petrol prices come down for Australians — is a negotiated settlement.”
That is a direct rebuke of Trump’s blockade strategy from an allied government.
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@Amockx2022 We Australians aren't shocked. Albo sold us to the ch*n*se years ago. Not sure who he thinks will come help us when their warships start circling....
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MASSIVE : Trump gets huge SHOCK from Australian PM Anthony Albanese 🔥
🇺🇸 Trump at 8:00 –– "We have allies who will help the US Navy blockade the Strait of Hormuz by sending their warships"
🇦🇺 Albanese at 11:00 –– "Australia won't join US naval blockade of the Strait of Hormuz because we need peace that lasts. And we need stable fuel prices. We don't need wars" 🫡
Trump getting isolated by his loyal allies is something no one saw it coming
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@BenBergquam @TheBrianShapiro He's on CNN and the View. Surely you wouldn't expect anything better from someone on those shows
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@TheBrianShapiro So you’re for men hitting women?
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"A headache and stiff neck" hahahahahahahahaha
Savanah is the kind of scum who will file a lawsuit, u injured in a fender bender.
Grifting slime.
Savanah Hernandez@Savsays
I'm waking up with a headache and stiff neck this morning due to how violently anti-ICE activist, Chris Ostroushko, shoved me down yesterday. A second angle shows that he had to be held back by 5 men as he continued to charge at me. I didn't speak a word to him all day yet he repeatedly called me a bitch and very clearly looks like he wanted to violently hurt me even worse than he did. I'm happy to report that charges will be brought against this man, his wife and daughter.
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@larissawaters Right now, Labor is gearing to rip up fraud funding from the NDIS in the upcoming budget. There, fixed it for you.
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Right now, Labor is gearing up to rip funding from the NDIS in the upcoming budget.
There's always money for war but right when people are doing it the toughest, the NDIS and the people it supports are facing cuts.
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@JustJenRX Be funny if she got back to her car and someone had pinched it!
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Trans-activist attacks man holding a sign that says “Transwomen Are Men.”
Of course, IT has on a Disney shirt!!
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@OzstevTwit69 @EVERALDATLARGE Yep! Not sure who @EVERALDATLARGE thinks is coming to our rescue when the Ch**ese warships start circling the country wanting to take it over!
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@EVERALDATLARGE Leader of SE Asia alliance...bahaha. Insanity! without the military backing of the US we would invaded in short order!
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