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@Carolyn26591696 @MasterMaliq @ag_silver_001 @MasterMaliq? Corrupted, huh?

@MasterMaliq @ag_silver_001 JESUS said, "who do you say that I am? Some say a prophet, a fool.." Peter said, ""you are Christ, THE SON OF GOD". Jesus replied, "you have spoken the truth"

I have received a lot of messages from Christians telling me to accept Jesus as my Lord and Saviour. But here is the thing... I already accept Jesus. I respect him. I believe in him. I see him as one of the greatest messengers God ever sent. But I cannot worship Jesus when Jesus himself worshipped another. I cannot call Jesus “God” when on the cross he was calling upon God. Afraid. In pain. Facing death. The God Jesus prayed to... The God Jesus submitted to... The God Jesus called “my God”... That is the One I accept wholeheartedly as my Lord and Saviour.

@EvidenceOfFaith @KepaApp Before we enter the heavenly Kingdom, here on earth we can exercise this obedience by obeying the Roman Catholic Church, the Pope, the vicar of Christ. If you can't do that, you follow your own mind, you are your own authority, you have an obedience problem.

@EvidenceOfFaith @KepaApp Real test of obedience is when you subject your free will to a governing authority, especially when this authority asks something of you that you don't want to do. "Let thy will be done." What does this mean for you? In a Kingdom, the will of the King is the authority. 1/2

Also, the Catholic Church: If you don't come to Mass, you are going to Hell “The Sunday Eucharist is the foundation and confirmation of all Christian practice. For this reason the faithful are obliged to participate in the Eucharist on days of obligation, unless excused for a serious reason… or dispensed by their own pastor. Those who deliberately fail in this obligation commit a grave sin.” - CCC 2181

@JamesCarne49587 @BeanofChrist @reverend_px 2 Maccabees 12:44–46 Look into Catholicism it will answer all your questions. We hold this since 2000 years.

@BeanofChrist @reverend_px Very different context though. He knows God will take his son and he doesn’t pray because he knows it wom’t restore him to his earthly life.

My brother’s dad just died. He wasn’t a believer in Christ. How do I pray for someone who has passed but didn’t know Christ?

@JamesCarne49587 @America_Love_24 Sorry for your loss.. Are you Catholic? We believe in something called Purgatory, therefore praying for the dead makes sense, they still can be saved.

@America_Love_24 Thank you. When I become a Christian not so long ago I never realised I would experience it.

@churchtalkative 1. The Eucharist is the true presence of God. Those who eat it will see eternal life. 2. If you sin, you cannot parttake in the Eucharist without a confession. 3. Now you have a real drive: if you sin, you cut yourself from the Eucharist, God, on purpose.

how does one overcome the spirit of lust?

@groutly123 @chemdryin @CatholicCo200 Or show me in the Bible where it says that God is a trinity. Exact verse please. Otherwise I will call you out making things up.

@chemdryin @CatholicCo200 Great respect? Way over the top, including making things up like sinless her whole life. The virgin birth is the true miracle and Protestants all believe that. Next issue please.

The wedding organizers in Cana.

@groutly123 @chemdryin @CatholicCo200 Making things up like Luther made Sola Scriptura up? Show me where in the Bible says that Scripture ALONE is what we need.

@PastorKuyaDaddy @CatholicCo200 Show me the exact verse from the Bible that says Scripture ALONE is what we need.

The key words are “in the Bible.” Here’s the relevant text: Jesus also was invited to the wedding with his disciples. When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to him, "They have no wine." And Jesus said to her, "Woman, what does this have to do with me? My hour has not yet come." (John 2:2-4) You see what isn’t mentioned here? Neither “wedding organizers” nor prayers. You are completely making this example up. There is no verse to substantiate your claim here whatsoever.

@tk_the_kitsune @matsciguycanada @oohglobbits5 @TheDrewHaas We just give up on nonsense discussions..

@matsciguycanada @otpcrypto @oohglobbits5 @TheDrewHaas the overall quality of theists we're getting in the threads these days is just rapidly declining. almost makes you long for Pablo the Liar..............almost.

Self-existing things can exist? Go universe! Whoops, I've just debunked God.

@Tim0riginal @BibleExpertise @oohglobbits5 P1 illicitly universalizes a condition that applies only within time. God creates time not by changing within time, but by eternally willing that time exists. The “change from not creating to creating” happens only in the temporal effect, not in God.

@otpcrypto @BibleExpertise @oohglobbits5 P1. Change requires time. P2. Creating time would require God to change from not-creating to creating. P3. A timeless being cannot undergo change. C. Therefore a timeless being cannot create time.

@Tim0riginal @BibleExpertise @oohglobbits5 This view for me would require a bigger leap of faith than accepting an original uncaused cause.

There was never a "first event" trying to get to you. So nothing had to finish infinity before you were born. You're picturing the past as a guy standing at "infinity" trying to walk to today. Ofc he'd never arrive. But an eternal universe doesn't start at infinity. There is no first event that has to travel all the way to me. No matter which past event you pick, it's only a finite number of steps from my existence.

@Tim0riginal @BibleExpertise @oohglobbits5 An eternal universe means that it has an infinite ammount of events that happened prior to my existence. Explain to me like I am 3 years old, HOW did I come into existence, if there is an infinite amount of events that had to be completed prior to me coming into existence?

@otpcrypto @BibleExpertise @oohglobbits5 You're not getting it. It's simply an eternal changing universe. No such thing as an unchanging universe changing into a changing universe. Your view is: Going from God-Alone -> God+Universe is a change... One that requires time.

@Tim0riginal @BibleExpertise @oohglobbits5 Yes and what I say is that the universe did not have an unchanging state. It is not UnchangingUniv->ChangingUniv But UnchangingGod-creation-ChangingUniv

@otpcrypto @BibleExpertise @oohglobbits5 I never supposed that the universe had a timeless state. Huh? The whole argument is that an unchanging state cannot change into a changing state.

@matsciguycanada @oohglobbits5 @TheDrewHaas @tk_the_kitsune Well you might not ask why's but most people do.

@otpcrypto @oohglobbits5 @TheDrewHaas @tk_the_kitsune Science doesn't answer those questions; why is not a question we ask; we ask how, or what, we look for causal relationships. The definition of the universe is: everything that exists. Therefore, if other universes exist, they are part of the greater universe.

@Tim0riginal @BibleExpertise @oohglobbits5 That's why we say that an agent (God) idependent from time, caused the existence of time. Eternity is one main characteristic of God, he never changes. You suppose that the universe had a timeless state. I say that the universe did not have a timeless state.

@otpcrypto @BibleExpertise @oohglobbits5 Change requires a before and after. A timeless state has neither. So a transition from timelessness to time already presupposes temporal succession and therefore cannot explain the origin of time.

@matsciguycanada @oohglobbits5 @TheDrewHaas @tk_the_kitsune Even if i would accept the multiverse, which for me sounds irrational, i would still have the question: why does it exist at all? Science will never be able to give a satisfactory answer on why, it could only describe the how.

@otpcrypto @oohglobbits5 @TheDrewHaas @tk_the_kitsune There is no logical barrier to infinite regression. Our best evidence suggests the universe we see is simply the universe in its current presentation. Energy is eternal; it has no beginning and no end. Some suggest that universes emerged in all directions, @ the BB, ours as one.

@matsciguycanada @oohglobbits5 @TheDrewHaas @tk_the_kitsune Can be but will lead to infinite regression, by which the present day should never ever happen. So phylosophically its more intuitive to believe that past cannot be infinite.

@otpcrypto @oohglobbits5 @TheDrewHaas @tk_the_kitsune Not at all, nothing can be caused without a time existing in which to cause it. By your own standard, the universe can be timeless, beginningless and eternal. In fact, the vast majority of cosmologists hold that view.

@Tim0riginal @BibleExpertise @oohglobbits5 In other words you try to apply the rules of time on a statw that is outside of time. You cannot do that.

@otpcrypto @BibleExpertise @oohglobbits5 That's a category error. I'm talking about temporal ordering between states of affairs, not abstract mathematical ordering in a formal system.