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@Timodc In reverse engineering, this whole debacle (report, refusal to release, the way they speak about it) confirms that the Democratic Party's OODA loop is now officially broken.

I love how the conspiracy pushed on here was that the DNC blocked the autopsy because of what it said about Gaza when in fact it doesn't mention that & they didn't put it out bc it seems to have been written by a 5th grader. Perfect encapsulation of the discourse around the DNC.

@estherzelda0514 Why was it unfinished after 18 months? My highschooler could have done better in one month. They had this for A YEAR in this condition and did nothing.

Yeah, so if you predicted that releasing the unfinished draft of the DNC autopsy would result in outrage no matter what it said, because it would fail to precisely validate whatever narratives grifters have recently based their entire personalities around, take a drink, because you and I were right. And as always, remember to toe the party line, people. Whatever they do, Dems bad. If they do what you ask, Dems bad.

@kenmartin73 You received this A YEAR AGO and with all of the resources and technology available, couldn't shape it into a basic deliverable at an 8th grade level? That's why the DNC has no business winning elections. You should be ashamed of your failure to the people.

Read more about what I have to say here: democrats.org/after-action

Just reviewed the autopsy report. Confirmed: the DNC's OODA loop is officially broken.

@liberalpuppy @the_matt “Thanks all the people in Congress over the last 50 years whose JOB it is to pass and manage budgets, especially the ones in tenure over time who have had a death grip on the levers of spending.” FIFY

@the_matt Yeah…thanks Reagan…

@the_matt @liberalpuppy All those people need to go. They are not cut out for the current system and its needs.

I never said a “well-planned” vegan diet is inherently terrible. Why would I cite evidence for something I did not assert? Don’t make hasty generalizations. Another hasty generalization you made is assuming that eating meat requires animal exploitation and slaughterhouses. It doesn’t. Ethically and morally superior in what framework? Please cite something other than your personal feelings.

@pblctrustissues @UnAm3rican @cachavaa Cite your evidence that a plant exclusive diet that is well planned is inherently terrible. Don't just make hasty generalisations. And morally vegan compatible diets ARE ethically superior because animal exploitation & slaughterhouse ops ARE NOT inherent in sourcing constituents

veganism is not inherently a morally superior position. the vegetables and fruits you consume are also harvested via immense cruelty & exploitation, not to even mention indigenous practices or food deserts. if you care about animals, the position to take is anti-capitalism.

@noahgittell @ingasneilevxson @envisionedluna Veganism is not sustainable or healthy. That’s problematic.

@pblctrustissues @ingasneilevxson @envisionedluna No, I’m implying we should stop eating animals and use that land to grow food for humans.

Non-vegan leftists hate veganism because it's the one "morally correct" position you actually have to put effort into and can't just virtue signal (ie anti-fascism, anti-billionaire, anti-racism pro-LGBTQ).

@TheParadigmShif Not quite. Animals are not people. Killing them to eat them is not immoral, and you have not provided any other basis for that assertion besides “muh feelz.” Emotions are not the author of morality.

@pblctrustissues That's like hiring a hitman to kill someone then claiming "they are already dead" Why do you keep mentioning supplements? Meat eaters have to use weapons against victim's throats. That's way worse and morally reprehensible. Killing makes you a bad person. Taking B12 doesn't.

Eating animals for food is as necessary as punching someone in the face for exercise.

You are using a classic correlation-does-not-equal-causation fallacy. Most people are non-vegan and most people are unhealthy, but that does not mean eating meat or animal foods is what makes them unhealthy. The real driver is poor overall diets (lots of processed food, sugar, sedentary lifestyles) across both vegans and non-vegans. Plenty of people follow healthy omnivorous patterns, like the Mediterranean diet, and stay in great shape long-term. Correlation alone proves nothing here. You are also moving the goalposts by saying “veganism isn’t a diet.” Veganism is a lifestyle that includes a specific diet (no animal products). The health discussion is about that dietary part and whether it is naturally sustainable and/or morally or ethically superior. Dismissing the evidence on deficiencies does not make the problems go away. Healthy non-vegan diets exist and work well for most people without the extra steps or risks veganism requires.

@pblctrustissues @UnAm3rican @cachavaa The data is most people are non vegan and most people are unhealthy and getting unhealthier. What’s the definition of insanity? Also veganism isn’t a diet 😊

Good for you. Personal stories like yours show it can work for some dedicated people with monitoring and effort. That is great. The bigger point is that one person’s success, or even a group of vegans who get regular blood tests, does not make veganism feasible or risk-free for the majority of people - especially since most people might not have access to the type of healthcare necessary to constantly monitor deficiencies and avoid certain negative health impact. Population studies still show higher rates of B12 deficiency, functional shortages, and bone health risks across vegans as a group, even with supplementation. Real-world adherence is not perfect for everyone. Anecdotes do not override that data, and they do not make veganism morally superior to a balanced omnivorous or vegetarian diet that works more naturally for most humans. It can be a valid choice for individuals. It is not the default or ethically required option for everyone.

@pblctrustissues @UnAm3rican @cachavaa I know plenty of vegans. They’re healthier than most of the population and vegans actually get regular blood tests so are onto any potential deficiencies straight away. I’ve never had any. Vegan women actually look younger too.

@platypusWarby @UnAm3rican @cachavaa Good for you. That does not make it a morally superior diet, or feasible for the majority of people.

@pblctrustissues @UnAm3rican @cachavaa I’m 55 and vegan for 8 years. I feel great. 6’3 92kgs, no chronic illness or medication and almost never get sick with people getting colds and flus all around me. Most men my age are overweight, look old, on medication and have chronic health problems.

Veganism does, just like every other terrible diet- regardless of eating meat. I am not arguing that eating meat magically makes your diet perfect, or even moral in itself. I am arguing that veganism cannot be considered morally superior to any other diet, including diets that include meat, because it is deficient and leads to health issues.

@pblctrustissues @UnAm3rican @cachavaa It doesn't. Poorly planned diets inclusive of animal products also have poor health outcomes

@CorrectInUS @penelopedidit2 @delnewberry5 @realBrandonGill Yeah- I don’t know if I have a rebuttal to that. The ol’ “baffle ‘em with bullshit” strategy… That’s hard to argue!

@pblctrustissues @penelopedidit2 @delnewberry5 @realBrandonGill Random underlined words was powerful.

But without the ability to draw congressional districts solely on the basis of race and count illegal aliens in the census, the Democrat Party may be forced to win a House majority on the merits of their policies for a change.

@TheParadigmShif You still haven’t answered what you base your morals and ethics on.

@pblctrustissues That's an irrelevant question because I'm not claiming vegans shouldn't take supplements. You're the one with the problem with supplementing, not vegans. It's an irrational fear. Look your victims in the eyes and tell them they have to die because you don't want to take a pill.

@_marko_gajic_ @Slasktratt2947 @PlanetOfMemes Wow, you really think people are judging you all the time for everything you do, don't you? Have you ever had a moment around other people where you didn't even consider whether or not other people were paying attention to you?

@pblctrustissues @Slasktratt2947 @PlanetOfMemes It is by definition, but it's not always a bad thing. Like in the case of the banana girl.

This is so true. 😆

@ogc2025 @cachavaa Who said cow?

@pblctrustissues @cachavaa Trolling? Hell nah. These are scientific facts. There’s no model on earth where growing a cow would be sustainable to feed the growing population. Animals are POOR calorie converters by nature. Plants will always remain the more sustainable option by default.

You still have not answered my questions. What specific long-term data shows strict veganism works reliably for populations without supplements? What is your ethical framework, and how does it require veganism? I have answered yours. You have not provided evidence or a clear basis. Only projection.

@pblctrustissues That's a lot of words with still ZERO evidence for a single claim, none of which justify what you do to animals. Meat depends on supply chains too. B12 is readily available, cheaper and safer than getting it from meat. You're grasping at nothing.

@CaptRonsays @TheMuppetPastor @hookskat Yet with no thought as to where such a minds could have originated. Shame, really, to go that far and not see it.

@TheMuppetPastor @hookskat Great men have thought deeply and have come up with great morals , from the minds of men not a fairytale god

Atheists….. Do you stand stunned and realize that you are your “own standard of truth”? Does it shake your world and make you question “your reality”? Or is Skeletors “favorite thing” like his favorite deity? Non existent.