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Peter
@peterswindal
Unworthy servant of Jesus Christ our Lord. Teacher of the Catholic faith.
Louisville, KY Katılım Şubat 2014
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@josephnollasj @mfjlewis You are speaking to an ideologue! Flee from ideology in all its forms.
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I’m demonstrating how it is folly to place so much emphasis on the *form* of the rite, as if it is responsible for human agency.
All those Freemason complaints targeting the NO that you referenced are tired and sacrilegious. I wish you could see that targeting the TLM for the sins of people who attend *some* of them are also tired and sacrilegious. They are both *the Mass*. Any TLM celebrated by the Catholic Church is being offered for your redemption no less than any NO Mass.
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We mustn’t blame sacraments for sin. The holy sacrifice of the Mass is not a problem.
The TLM isn’t responsible for some people rejecting Vatican II or papal authority.
Mike Lewis@mfjlewis
At a time when the Tridentine Mass is so clearly associated with schism and resistance to the pope, how is "we need more of this, not less" any kind of rational response to the problem? Sure, accommodate those who are attached, but for the Church it's past time to move on.
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@CTrefugees I didn't mean that he said that the practices were inherently bad or whatever just that they're easily abused which alas is the case with almost all of the postconciliar changes
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@peterswindal Also he should not properly reject something that is regularly practiced in another rite.
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The controlled swaying of the processions in the Zaire Rite, as well as the received dancing of the Ethiopian Rite, has been consistently approved by the Church at the highest levels of her liturgical authority and should not be confused with “dancing” in the negative sense sometimes criticized by various ecclesiastical figures. Sources below:
CTrefugees@CTrefugees
This is systematically wrong and was unwise to challenge me on. First the governing legal text from: Congregation for Divine Worship, “Présentation générale de la liturgie de la Messe pour les diocèses du Zaïre,” §§28–29, Notitiae 24, no. 7 (July 1988): 463, cultodivino.va/content/dam/cu… I'll get your cardinals next.
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@_SatanWatch Is there any conceivable reality in which that was legitimately the most listened to podcast in America at the time
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@RejoiceCC @ZyMazza Not entirely true. The Jesuits had a pretty nuanced teaching during the Japanese oppression and the fumi-e.
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@ZyMazza If a Christian worships an idol, they will go to Hell unless they repent. There is no secret doctrine that allows for idol worship or pretend idol worship.
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Taqiyya is a really interesting doctrine to me because most people seem to believe this intuitively, even for people who belong to religions with no such doctrine, or even explicit tenants against it.
If you're unfamiliar, taqiyya isn't simply "lying", it's a permission to conceal your faith, and to even make outward gestures renouncing it to preserve ones life or dignity in an environment of religious persecution.
So, for example, famously Jews aren't allowed to bow before idols or a person. In ancient Rome, they had a special exemption because they would literally die before doing that.
Taqqiya would allow a muslim living under foreign occupation to "go along to get along" and just bow.
Similarly, in feudal Japan when Christianity was being heavily persecuted, many Catholics faced the test of being asked to step on an icon of the Blessed Mother or even Jesus Christ Himself. Being unwilling to do so, many Catholics in Japan were killed for failing this test.
Taqiyya would allow a Muslim in a similar situation to step on the icon (not that they allow icons, but you get the point).
In the modern world, however, it seems most religious from most faiths practice taqiyya when faced with even the lightest pushback against their beliefs.
You'll talk to Christians who will assent to all sorts of modern social mores outwardly, who in private will confess that they deeply disagree with them, just because they fear the incredibly light punishment of social ostracization.
Just the other day, I spoke to someone who earnestly argued to me that surely the Church would condone and even encourage me to publicly renounce or recant my faith in Jesus Christ if not doing so would cost me my life or put my family in mortal danger.
But the Church teaches no such thing! And it celebrates martyrs willing to die to proclaim that Christ is Lord.
See how few Jewish people wear kippot, even otherwise observant ones, simply because its a bit awkward to do so.
How many Jews and Christians alive today in the United States, if put in a situation where they had to bow before an idol of a foreign "god" and declare loyalty to it on pain of death would choose death?
I suspect vanishingly few!
And among them, how many of them would feel in their hearts that they had sinned?
I suspect some, but I suspect many more would believe privately in their hearts that they had done the right thing. That God would prefer that they live and renounce Him than die keeping the faith.
And I see people living this way in much more minor ways, as I've said. To avoid social deaths, to avoid economic pains. To keep one's high paying job. To impress their atheist boss. And so on and so on.
And then I see them making fun of Muslims and their doctrine of taqiyya. "What a lukewarm faith!" they sneer, "that they are allowed not to practice it when it's inconvenient"
Yet so many of us live the same way, don't we? But the difference is, we were never given that permission. We chose it for ourselves.
Matthew 7:3-5
Kσηrαd ♱@Konraddin
“You can just lie Jerry, it’s part of the religion, it’s called taqiyya.”
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@EricJohnso26304 Why did that entail destruction of the entire high altar?
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@peterswindal Hard to tell but it looks like the tabernacle is still there under the resurrecifix in the second image? In any case it’s obvious: they put Christ in the center where St Wenceslaus had been.
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The only explanation for the original renovation is like direct spiritual assault. There is no possible justification within the documents of Vatican II that could possibly, remotely justify those changes.
𝔃𝔞𝔠𝔥𝔞𝔯𝔦𝔞𝔰 𝔰@OrdinariateUSA
St Wenceslaus in Wahoo, Nebraska restored its pre-1973 high altar in its sanctuary (Left photo: before and after 2020 removations. Right: how it looked pre-1973 “renovations”) The original high altar was removed and no ceased to exist in constructed form after 1973 (it was destroyed with hammers). Thankfully, Bishop Conley encouraged parishes to restore their traditional parishes in the 2010’s which led to this new construction.
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@ObedientiaEtPax Pienso que Rahner fue uno de las figuras más destructivos en la historia del cristianismo
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Ni Karl Rahner, ni Pierre Teilhard de Chardin pueden ser considerados perjudiciales para la Iglesia sin satisfacer la onus probandi. La discrepancia con sus planteamientos no sustituye la demostración racional, especialmente cuando sus obras deben interpretarse en su contexto histórico y, en distintos casos, han servido como referencia en documentos eclesiales.
Lo mismo ocurre con el caso de Bugnini como supuesto "masón": sostener acusaciones sobre una única fuente de escasa solidez probatoria revela un déficit metodológico evidentemente básico.
Este patrón, demasiado frecuente en ciertos círculos que se llaman a ellos mismos: "tradicionalistas" católicos -de lo cuál tienen poquísimo-, consiste en practicar recurrentemente una eiségesis y, a partir de ella, construir conclusiones falaces.
Padre Tomas Agustin Beroch@PadreTomasB
Hay sacerdotes que han celebrado la Misa Tradicional y eran abusadores de menores. Karl Rahner, Pierre Teilhard De Chardin, Edward Schillebeeckx, todos ellos empezaron celebrando la Misa Tradicional, y sabemos que fueron grandes progresistas que dañaron la Iglesia a más no poder. Es más, Bugnini y Baggio (obispos con altos grados en la masonería) también celebraban el vetus ordo. El error no es la Misa Tradicional que de por sí nos lleva a la santidad (como toda Misa bien celebrada). El error es pensar que el anticristo no puede utilizar LO BUENO para engañar a los católicos. Cuidado con querer determinar "que puede usar el demonio" y "que no puede usar" para engañarnos. Yo le tengo más miedo al que aparenta ser lo que no es que al que se muestra malo como lo que es. Un modernista como James Martin es una jarra llena de veneno porque defiende todo lo pecaminoso. Pero James Martin es bien claro para que lado juega. El problema son aquellos que se presentan como tradicionales (lo cual es algo bueno) pero que en realidad son lobos con pieles de ovejas y su intención es llevarnos al infierno. Estos últimos son "jugo de fruta con gotitas de veneno", y son más peligrosos puesto que la jarra llena de veneno sabemos lo que es. En cambio las gotitas en el jugo de fruta...pueden matarnos sin que nos demos cuenta. Y aquí no hablo de la FSSPX (como nunca hablé, nunca me referí a ellos). Hablo de cualquier persona que se presente como tradicional pero su objetivo sea perder a los buenos y matar a las ovejas fuertes. Para mi, el anticristo va a tener esas características. Va a utilizar lo bueno (tradición) para llevar a la perdición a aquellos que están bien encaminados. Si no se entendió: ser tradicional es bueno, celebrar la Misa de San Pío V es bueno, Santo Tomas de Aquino, el latín, todo eso es bueno. Pero de esas cosas buenas se puede aprovechar el enemigo y usarlas en su favor, ya que su objetivo es perdernos. Si el anticristo celebrará la Misa tradicional o no, no lo sé. Pero no me sorprendería que lo haga, ya que va a querer confundir a los buenos, y para hacerlo tiene que tenderles trampas que sean "creíbles". Es mi opinión, es discutible, pero no creo que sea tan descabellado. Bendiciones. Creo que este tema hay que darle una vuelta de página. Quien me quiera confrontar, mañana estaré en mi canal de YouTube. Entren y los espero para hablar de este tema si lo desean. Por las redes, ya es demasiado.
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@MargaretPBrady @MiddleMindset Wait, what on earth? I thought you meant first vows, but looking into it I see that they are final vows. I didn't realize that at all. That is insanity but not the most surprising. They don't let some men take vows for years because they are orthodox; a guy like him gets approval
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@peterswindal @MiddleMindset I’ve been concerned about that situation because it seemed he made final vows in 2 years or something. I realize he’s not going to be a priest, but something’s not right there. The canonical norms are there to protect both the discerner and the community.
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If you go to discernment events with the East Province of the Jesuits, they will bring men in formation to give a talk, and they will openly admit that they disagree with the Church's teaching on sexuality and want it to change. This happened as recently as December of last year.
Father V@father_rmv
The five Jesuit provincials in Canada and the United States announced the reduction of the number of novitiates in the two nations from five to two. One will be based in Culver City, California; the other, in Detroit, Michigan. detroitcatholic.com/news/society-o…
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@ThxTom90228 People also didn’t like the modern, that’s why it preceded the greatest collapse in the history of the Church.
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@peterswindal Oh, shut up, you moron. You are too young and just another jerk trying to get clicks on X. Styles change. The 60's was a time when every style changed and people were sick of the old style.Regarded as old and stale. Now, styles change back. Now people are sick of the modern.
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@EricJohnso26304 You’re right, somehow. Will delete the follow up tweet
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@peterswindal That’s unfortunately completely false. It was basically mandated in a 1964 document ‘Inter oecumenici’ and Paul VI modeled it himself.
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@EricJohnso26304 Centering Christ? Explain to me how that happened, when the tabernacle was moved away, and a resurrectifix rather than a crucifix placed underneath?
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@peterswindal The central figure in the original reredo looks like St Wenceslaus. If that’s the case then the first renovation was an improvement by centering Christ, and the second one an even greater improvement.
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@quetzalcoa14 Thinking of a diocese as a business is generally how we got into this mess
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@peterswindal Because thats what bankrupt businesses should be doing, spending even more money and reducing their last payments in
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Dioceses really should do whatever it takes to destroy the church buildings when they sell them. This stuff isn’t good.
Justin Silverman@JustySilverman
The Church Arcade near Pittsburgh is a site to behold
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@tharealjuanye @phill_n_good I’d rather it never be discovered than have it turned Into an arcade
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@peterswindal @phill_n_good Let’s go with that. You find Jesus’ tomb. The moslem horde is overwhelming the area. Should we destroy the tomb? Just in case?
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@peterswindal Or we could reevangelize and take them back over?
I am glad Hagia Sophia wasn’t torn down. We will eventually have it back.
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@phill_n_good What about the tomb where Jesus was buried? What if they found that? Would that be sacred?
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@peterswindal Yes and no, music was designed by God as an element of the worship. Both in the temple on earth and in heaven. So it can be sacred in that sense. Buildings, however, have not been sacred since Jesus' death causing the veil of the temple to rip in two.
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@Aureliu62372334 If you discern with any other province you're barred from going down there and joining their province because they don't want a civil war. That's actual policy. I know because the rule applies to me.
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@peterswindal From what I have seen online, the Central and Southern Province is comparatively more orthodox. I have seen members of the province on this platform publicly defend Church teaching on marriage and family, and their retreat center in Louisiana hosts TLM retreats
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@MiddleMindset “In other denominations” didn’t signify that I meant other denominations’ churches don’t do the same thing, I was meaning that other churches buy Catholic churches , if that makes sense
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@peterswindal Sometimes nice old Victorian gothic Lutheran or Episcopalian churches end up as like bars or condos too but yes your other point is well taken, communists seized churches that were being used, once communist power collapsed the people took the churches back
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@J9789592951490 You’d rather people play pinball than imperfectly (in your view) try to worship Jesus Christ our Lord?
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