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White people should not be allowed to sit on stoops in Bed-Stuy!! @arooj_aftab

@PhiloCrocodile @Athens_Stranger @AncPhi @dominbydigdug yes

@phoebicola @Athens_Stranger @AncPhi @dominbydigdug reading and translating are different skills. as is parsing ("construing"). you really do need to practice them all. i.e we read broadly to prepare for tutorials and exams but would be asked to do textkritik and translations for essay work.

Ok, now we’re talking! But you will need help b/c the key is to be translating *constantly*—NOT memorizing notecards etc, and so someone who can check your work is invaluable: eg @AncPhi, @dominbydigdug, @PhiloCrocodile That said, I’ve found these helpful for Homeric & Attic:

@jakewoolf The mid-20th century IS "modern society"

Leaving aside the reality that wearing a suit is impractical most of the time in modern society, finding a great fitting new suit is challenging and expensive as most of the market is still stuck in a 2011 ludlow suit hangover

@Tom_Rowsell @CommonwealthNie These are all great English boys' names; but for girls I struggle to come up with options

@CommonwealthNie Edward Richard William Robert Edgar Alfred Albert

Christian names: Gabriel Thaddeus Thomas Matthias Modern pagan names: Rakesh Patel Pooja Deepak

@BillTheKid1603 Hardly the first. There were heaps of grand narrative history books written in the nineteenth century, in the spirit of that century's rationalism

Jared Diamond was the first person to attempt to give a comprehensive multi disciplinary explanation for how the west became dominant that wasn't just aryan mysticism. He got things wrong and people have done better since but he undoubtedly elevated our historical understanding

@raja8t @maa_bhaishiiH and how is "the tradition" going at the moment?

Kudos to the Greek Church Fathers. There is nothing wrong in criticizing Zeus for what he is in the myths. If that offends you, then may the mighty blessings of Zeus, patron of adultery, be upon you. The truth is that: The Church Fathers themselves show that Greek intellectual tradition DID NOT depend on worshipping Olympian gods. Greek philosophy, logic, literature, and art remained valuable because of their own merit, NOT because people kept sacrificing to Zeus. Michelangelo did not need to worship Roman gods to create masterpieces. Christian thinkers in Europe did not need to worship pagan gods to preserve and develop Greek and Roman philosophy. Renaissance Christians did not need to become pagans to bring classical learning to new heights. As Christians, we can continue our ancestral intellectual and artistic traditions without worshipping our ancestral gods. That is completely normal. In fact, if the pagan gods were truly real and the source of that greatness, then abandoning them should have made all of this impossible. It didn’t. The tradition continued and flourished. That says enough.

All this outrage by Greeks against Christopher Nolan disrespecting Greek gods and heroes in his film Odyssey, is fine. But, no one disrespected Greek gods and heroes more than Greek Christians themselves. Here are some gems from your own Orthodox Churchfathers writing in Greek about your Greek gods and heroes. Apocryphal writing attributed to Justin Martyr, “Discourse to the Greeks” : “the very compositions of your poets are monuments of madness and intemperance” From “Hortatory Address to the Greeks”, Ch 2 “Whom, then, you men of Greece, do you call your teachers of religion? The poets? It will do your cause no good… how very ridiculous a theogony they have composed ; as we can learn from Homer… [quotes Homer on Zeus as dispenser of war, adulterer, etc.]… So that if you believe your most distinguished poets, who have given the genealogies of your gods, you must of necessity either suppose that the gods are such beings as these, or believe that there are no gods at all.” Tatian the Assyrian, a student of Justin, in his address to the Greeks, writes that Greek mythology is “the corruption of the soul” and mocks poets for celebrating “battles, and the amours of the gods.” He rejects them as demonic and inferior, contrasting with the Christian God. He derides specific tales while praising foreign “barbarian” (including Christian) wisdom over Greek pretensions. Clement of Alexandria, a highly educated Greek Christian who knew classical literature well, used it to critique paganism. His “Protrepticus” (Exhortation to the Greeks) is a sustained attack on myths, mysteries, and gods as immoral delusions inspired by demons. He writes “Our Thracian Orpheus and the Theban and the Methymnian [Arion]… seem to have been deceivers, who, under the pretence of poetry corrupting human life… celebrating crimes in their orgies, and making human woes the materials of religious worship, were the first to entice men to idols.” (Book 1) He calls the myths “godless legends and deadly daemon-worship.” He exposes mysteries as “full of deception,” details Dionysus’s raw-flesh orgies, Demeter/Persephone’s “mystic drama,” Aphrodite’s deification as a harlot, and other tales of rape, adultery, and violence. He mocks oracles and calls the pantheon “inhuman and people-hating demons.” Athanasius (c. 296–373 AD, Contra Gentes): Calls paganism “full of all ungodliness” and myths “ruinous to life”. Basil the Great (c. 330–379 AD, Address to Young Men on Greek Literature): Advises selective reading but warns against gods’ “adulteries… and especially those of… Zeus,” battles among gods, etc Early Christians read Homer to only insult and criticise him and contrasted their own Greek gods and myths as demonic compared to the superior Christian god and scripture. It was only after paganism was emasculated and on the sure shot path of being eliminated, the Greek Christians began to show some positive attitudes to their own pagan myths. You abandoned Athena for a brown Jewish guy on the cross. So, I guess you can sit this one out.

@kevinobriencha1 @writriverdale It's not about "ratings" or "tastes" - this isn't Goodreads. European culture was shaped by the Latin language and by the legacy of the Roman Empire for the better part of two millenia. Virgil was simply more relevant than Homer

@writriverdale Yes for a long time The Aeneid was rated above The Iliad. Now Virgil is hardly talked about. Why? Somebody should write a piece on this. The changing tastes of humans...

Wasn't there a time when only a Latin summary of Homer's poems were available and the Aeneid was the main poem for the medieval West? Did Dante read Homer?

Neoplatonism how to cast fireball Greek magical papyri are aethiopes resistant to fire damage ... Julius Evola how much mana to cast hyperborean blizzard

@Tom_Rowsell @QuetzalPhoenix Yep, remember when Modi was on world tour playing to Tamil ethnonarcissism, by saying they have the oldest language in the world

No. Basque itself is not. Saying a language is “older” makes no sense because the linguistic distinction between for eg. Middle english and modern english (two different languages) is purely academic and has no relation to what the speakers experience. PIE language speakers didn’t just invent a new language- it had continuity going back to the first speaking hominids like all languages do

The oldest surviving language in Western Europe is Basque, or Euskara. It is a language isolate, not related to any of the Indo-European languages which came later with the Celts and the Germanics. Does this mean the Basque people are the oldest Western Europeans? Maybe!

@TheUntranslated If you know a bit of Attic Greek, you can read Pamela Ann Draper's Homer readers. They have lots of notes and vocab

Is there anyone here who taught themselves Homeric Greek and read the Iliad and the Odyssey in the original?

@DrewPavlou Last year there was an article printed in the Italian-Australian newspaper @ilglobonews that claimed, and I quote, that Australia was "a nation that was virtually desolate until the early 2000s, when the 'wogs' built roads, houses, and above all culture."

“The yiayia would not need to sit a test about prime ministers she had never heard of to participate in the Australia she had already built with her hands.” Kos, Australia already existed as a country before our yiayias moved here. I am proud that they contributed but it’s seriously disrespectful to pretend that Australia didn’t exist until our families arrived as migrants post World War II. Your rhetoric is sectarian and seriously divisive. It’s driving people apart because you are constantly needling Australians from Anglo-Celtic backgrounds with long established history in the country.

@TheAnglo_ Remember this x.com/restoreorderus…

A White male was hunted down and stabbed by a foreigner, but the police handcuffed him and left him to bleed out and die because the Indian cried "racism".

@Tom_Rowsell @Balder998 @HooliganWyrd yes Caesar says as much in his Gallic Wars (2.4)

@Balder998 @HooliganWyrd I already have. fact remains Belgae were genetically part Germanic. x.com/Tom_Rowsell/st…

“Of all these [Gallic] peoples, the Belgae are the bravest, because they are the farthest removed from the civilization and refinement of [Roman] Province, and merchants least frequently resort to them and import those things which tend to effeminate the mind..."

It’s funny to watch rap undergo the same life cycle as jazz. Once associated with drugs violence and seedy venues achieves broad popular appeal, starts to decline in popularity and is slowly only referenced by Artists™️ to show how culturally sophisticated they are. As millennials age you may hear the rap gold standards played softly in cafes and bakeries with CDs left unsold on the their counters.

What she's saying is substantially stupider than that. She thinks right-wing groups are attracted to classical Greco-Roman civilization because "white" marble is the same color as "white" supremacy. No surprise she says she couldn't understand Tacitus in grad school

@DanDavisWrites Hollywood can only understand gods as a metaphor for illegitimate human authority that it is righteous to defy

Only none of this is in Homer’s Iliad.

@nonregemesse x.com/Tom_Rowsell/st…

Irish people need to move on and develop an identity not based on victimhood and the illusion of the moral high ground

If you use the standard ‘can you vote to limit immigration in your country’ to determine which countries are true ‘first world’ countries then the map of true ‘first world’ countries is just Denmark, Switzerland and Japan - which is the same intuition everyone had before anyway