@mehdirhasan Well at least he found time to make you look a tw@t. LOL.
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Chris Murphy
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This was the great intellectual hero of the New Atheists, who was going to destroy God and religion.
LOL.
AF Post@AFpost
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Yep. If he cared and he's financially independent, surely he'd make all his content free instead of bleeding those poor people with no chance of getting anywhere in life of what they have left after the bills have gone out the bank.
The Composite Guy@CompositeGuy_
In his debate with Gary Priestley, Gary Stevenson claims he makes so much money on the markets, his kids will be multimillionaires, while also claiming that everyone else cannot afford to feed their kids or keep the heating on. Strange then, that after a hiatus last year, his return video announced the launch of his Patreon, directly asking his audience, whom he describes as struggling, to fund his work. He explained that, despite his massive personal wealth, he needs their support to create more 'ambitious' and 'creative' content beyond simple talking-head videos. Yet since launching the Patreon, he has released 22 videos in the exact same format, with fewer guests than in earlier periods. He has 2,121 paid subscribers on Patreon, meaning that at a minimum he makes £153k a year from his viewers. He likely makes a similar amount from ad revenue alone, let alone the millions he claims to make on the markets. His entire platform is built on the idea that the rich extract wealth from everyone else. The brazen hypocrisy of him doing this to his own viewers, in the most direct way possible, is incredible.
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@JohnGerard5 @MerrynSW Yes that's exactly what I think, I want to steal it all to give to homeless heroin addicts. Wealth is not unlimited, every ledger has two sides. Putting assets into arrangements which make it nigh on impossible to tax them is pretty close to hoarding.
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@poolhayes93 @MerrynSW Nobody is 'hoarding' wealth.
Wealth is not finite. It is unlimited. You either have it or you don't. Nothing is stopping you from having it, Chris
What, you think 'rich' people have warehouses with piles of gold coins in them that they dive into every day like Scrooge McDuck?
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Extraordinary thing here is only partly his total confusion about how income tax and IHT work plus utter ignorance of the trust system. Main bit that threw me is that he doesn't know how NI works. And thinks he has paid way more tax than he has. How does this happen?
Proper Memes 〓〓@Proper_Memes
Gary doesn't even understand the basics of taxation, like income tax vs inheritance tax or corporate tax vs consumption tax.
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@Jam_mil73 @XManyrivers2 @MerrynSW Someone said another department did the macro thinking so I pointed out that clearly there was a blind spot with the macro thinking so this criticism is invalid. Go on, put together a video or article explaining why Gary is wrong and predict what will happen to the economy.
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@poolhayes93 @XManyrivers2 @MerrynSW A blind man could tell you the banking system failed in 2008…a film did it even better.
He’s terrible, until you realise how bad he actually is, then you’ll keep listening to this grifter.
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@linmeitalks Individuals, tax upon receipt of income, over £50million liquid and illiquid assets combined, enforcement via the same means to enforce all other taxes i.e. evasion illegal. Glad to have helped.
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Why are people like Gary so emotional and highly strung …. Chill out buddy and have a normal conversation.
Such a good question which I think many don’t know how to answer.
Do people want to heavily tax individuals or companies ?
What does taxing the rich look like ?
Who are the rich? Give me a figure of who that is? How much liquid cash or assets ?
How would you enforce it ?
Auguste Prompt@augusteprompt
This guy is absolutely retarded.
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@ZackRunning @PhilipJBerry @ThePosieParker I don't want anything from anyone, I just don't want ordinary people to become so poor not being able to afford a decent meal becomes normal.
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@poolhayes93 @PhilipJBerry @ThePosieParker There is no reason to protect it according to you. I think there are countless reasons to protect it.
I’m sure you protecting it is selfish but demanding they give you some of their money isn’t selfish, huh?
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This is a sublime take down of Gary’s “economics”.
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@poolhayes93 @MerrynSW For one thing, and there are many others, he claims he pays 50% tax on his income giving the impression he pays 50% on all his income.
I of course suspect he is doing that deliberately to mislead, but maybe not.
But in any event, there is no 50% bracket..... 🤔
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@HuntersofPutney @TOldbittie46750 @spamalotcamelot @MerrynSW It's been interesting today, seems to be something of a pile on against Gary (because of his backing of the Greens) but everyone is using just this one clip to attack. I've gone into bat for him but I've not recognised this type of attack on someone I support before.
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@TOldbittie46750 @spamalotcamelot @MerrynSW @poolhayes93 I don’t disagree. But the point was that Gary’s understanding is as bad as his maths. Suggesting that the periodic charge is 0.6% annually vs a 60% income tax rate for him that doesn’t exist (at least not as described by him).
This exchange here overdignifies his contribution.
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@2x2pedaler @Scarletdotty @SecretVC2 @MerrynSW I'm mentioning his bonafides to address the criticism that he is economically illiterate. The tax system itself isn't producing fair outcomes which is the broader point and is what is causing his frustration in the clip but yes I know he doesn't come across well in this one.
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@poolhayes93 @Scarletdotty @SecretVC2 @MerrynSW On the one hand you maintain his bonafides are impeccable and the plebs are not allowed to challenge his schtick. At the same time when he incorrectly describes the tax system to make his point you say we should just let it slide. I think the word for that is hypocrisy.
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@andyp1599 @redhousepodcast @ThePosieParker No Andrew, basically what I'm saying is if I have £100 million and my neighbours can't afford to eat or heat their home then I agree I should pay significant sums in tax to avoid hoarding wealth and driving up asset prices.
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@poolhayes93 @redhousepodcast @ThePosieParker So basically Chris, if you are richer than your neighbors will you be giving them some of your stuff to make it fair 🤷♂️
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@fergustp @spamalotcamelot @MerrynSW Fair comment. Albeit what people pay on their mortgages is normally greater than the value gained on property, which helps to keep them poor (I'm not a class warrior I'm just stating how I see the mechanics). Descendants insufficiently wealthy to them put inheritance in trust.
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@poolhayes93 @spamalotcamelot @MerrynSW Your not sounding snarky just uneducated, most people who have homes expensive enough to pay IHT have a pension which is a compounding asset, how would you describe a home that’s compounded in value for 25 years?
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@fergustp @spamalotcamelot @MerrynSW And put what in it exactly? The fees for running the trust would be greater than any gains.
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@fergustp @SecretVC2 @spamalotcamelot @MerrynSW Because keeping for themselves alone creates a situation similar to what existed in Victorian times i.e. a small group of beu wealthy, happy people and a huge impoverished underclass. There is no system (yet known) where the super rich and the wealthy working man co-exist.
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@DigitalLifeUK @ThePosieParker If company owned by shareholders, dividends are then root of where wealth that has been generated in the company then exists that system in order to make a rich person richer and that is where the tax needs to kick in. Companies can reduce tax by increasing wages.
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@poolhayes93 @ThePosieParker If he has all them things how can he not understand taxing companies don't punish the owners, it will punish the workers at that company and the consumer...
Then when call out on that he flips it to no tax the owners making the point that they will just leave that country.
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@Scarletdotty @SecretVC2 @MerrynSW Apologies, I've disagreed with too many people this morning and my last response was a bit snarky, sorry.
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@poolhayes93 @SecretVC2 @MerrynSW Utter gibberish. No wonder you can’t get a well paid job and want to steal off those of us that can. You’re nothing more than a sponger.
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@ukvillafan @ZackPolanski I would argue that past economic collapses teach us how piss poor many economists and their theories are; Gary recognises the current system will only lead to more wealth hoarding and ordinary people becoming poorer and poorer. We all see these with our own eyes everyday.
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And there are lawyers on here who know fuck all about the law, despite their degrees and experience.
So, if what you say is true, then he has either forgotten everything he ever learned on the subject or is willing to deliberately obfuscate and make absurd statements for political ends.
Nothing in that video demonstrates competence or an understanding of taxation. He also constantly interrupts the other person’s points, a most obvious tactic of an incompetent bully who has to avoid hearing the other side because of the weakness of his own position.
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The verdict is in. 🗳️
Gary like so many people is voting Green. 💚
Gary Stevenson@garyseconomics
Who should you vote for in the elections this week?
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@ukvillafan @ZackPolanski I agree that of all the mountains of hours of Gary speaking on-line this short clip is his worst moment as he gets worked up, raises his voice and speaks over the other person. You questioned his understanding of economic theory so I mentioned his qualifications.
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@MerrynSW Out of interest, is there anyone else with Gary's qualifications and CV who you would refer to as economically illiterate? Particularly someone who is still correctly and consistently predicting economic outcomes year on year.
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@poolhayes93 I'm afraid that he is economically illiterate. Nothing to do with accent.
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@FermiParadoxxed @ThePosieParker I mentioned his qualifications to counter accusations he knows nothing on the subject. His main credential is his real world successful career as a trader - he would agree with you on the limited value of the degree.
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@poolhayes93 @ThePosieParker Possession of an Econ degree tbh is a great heuristic for identifying someone that’s more likely than not to be economically illiterate. Hoy take: lower taxes across the board, reduce wasteful spending on bloat/bullshit & reduce/simplify code complexity. Goes a long way
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@SecretVC2 @fergustp @spamalotcamelot @MerrynSW People with more money than they or their families for generations could ever need, should have to pay a lot more in tax.
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@poolhayes93 @fergustp @spamalotcamelot @MerrynSW So what you’re saying is people with more money than you shouldn’t be allowed to keep it….
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