Preston Anthony 🇻🇦❤️‍🔥

@mrmdotorg It’s interesting to see how LDS apologists have to backtrack everything their prophets say in order to seem orthodox to Christians. Personally, I hope it’s the nudging of the Holy Spirit witnessing to them the absurdity of their Church, they just haven’t fully accepted it yet

When apologetics descends into competitive apathy over key statements by foundational prophets on the nature of God.

Imagine dedicating your life to incel looksmaxxing so much that you've smashed yourself in the face with a hammer only to have a regular reporter from 60 Minutes Australia completely outmog you. (Clavicular eventually walked off the interview)

Yesterday’s Mormons: God had a God and we can become Gods! We have a Heavenly Mother too! Lost truths of the Restoration! Today’s Mormons: Well, we don’t really know if prophets really taught that and are embarrassed by Christians not liking it, so we never believed that.

@kjohnsonrn @ThoughtfulSaint Is all of you useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training do righteousness?

@prganthony @ThoughtfulSaint So I’m perfect

No where does the Bible ever mention “the Bible” No where in the Bible does it claim inerrancy. These are later theological presuppositions that are not derived from the text. And “god breathed” in the first century meant life giving when you see how it is used in other 1st century texts.

@mafeld300 @ddeanetheology Mr Deane has a PhD and is a professor at Newman Theological College. He is very smart, much smarter than myself, and much more charitable than either you or me. We had a respectful conversation after I came on way too strong (for that I apologize @ddeanetheology). Be respectful

@ddeanetheology @prganthony Your problem was that you wanted to pretend to be smarter than you are and a Twitter rando called you out on it immediately. According to your own logic, this clearly means you don't understand Just War theory

He doesn’t seem to understand Just War theory. It doesn’t hold that war is ever good. It holds that it is necessary evil to avoid a greater evil. God does not “bless it”. It’s proponents hold that God tolerates it in a fallen world to avoid a worse evil.

@TexasPreacher @not_our_guy @PresbyInn

Most people, Protestant and Catholic alike, do not realize how close our positions actually are “For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything; the only thing that counts is faith working through love” Gal 5:6

@ddeanetheology The actual wording was “Anyone who is a disciple of Christ is never on the side of those who once wielded the sword and today drop bombs. Military action will not create freedom or times of peace” I just find it hard to see where his Holiness left room for just warfare

@prganthony I think he's saying we should reluctantly wage war in justice and temperence rather than "support" war. He's reacting against the celebration of war by the administration and the failure to see it as against God's will (despite God tolerating it at times to avoid greater evil)

@ddeanetheology Right, I’m not saying the war in Iran is just, it’s not. But isn’t it at the very least imprudent to make an absolute claim (disciples of Christ cannot support war) when there are clear examples when a disciple of Christ should absolutely support war?

@prganthony We know he was speaking metaphorically as no soldier is weilding a sword in Iran. He may has understood it as an agressive or unjust act rather than a defense or just one. With the possible exception of WWII (yet) I think it could be argued that, long term, war leads to more war.

@ddeanetheology Ok, I can get on board with that, but the rest of Pope Leo’s post is still problematic. He said anyone who is a disciple of Christ cannot be on the side of those who wield swords, and that military action cannot create peace. These seem to be out of step with JWT

@prganthony God's blessing in the sense that a Father would give his blessing to a marriage perhaps. But see the difference between analogical good and ontological good in Chapter 2 of my Tyranny of the Banal for why his Holiness' point is right.

@ddeanetheology So it is the principle of double effect? With the primary purpose of a just war being the defense of the innocent, and the “tragic necessity” of death. But why would, from an Augustinian viewpoint, this not receive God’s blessing? Wouldn’t a truly just war still be peacemaking?

@prganthony Very good point. I mean necessary evil in the sense of "tragic necessity", not moral evil but natural evil. God's blessing, from the Augustinian viewpoint speaks to God's presence in a way that renders it good and God's will aka, more a theological virtue than a cardinal one.

@Virgil19BC @prganthony The Pope, would you believe, is more in keeping with the Catechism, Augustine, and Aquinas on this one. The Lutheran urge to present him as betraying the faith, while your administration is right is what does a disservice to Catholic theology.

"The Pope doesn't care about Christian martyrs!" Here's Pope Leo, holding back tears as he announces the martyrdom of Christians. Who do any of you insufferable leeches think you are to question his love for Christ's church? You do not have even a fraction of his virtue.

The feed cleansing will continue until morale improves.

Now, you did include one valid point about information provided by those possessed. Fr Chad Ripperger is regarded with general skepticism outside of the super rad-trad circles precisely because of this. Why are you conversing with demons? Why would you ask anything beyond what you need to exorcise them? It is dangerous and serves no holy purpose.

Modern examples of “cunning contrivances of Satan,” to advance beliefs in the virtue of superstitious remedies to demonization include: That Roman Catholic exorcists may command the demons in the name of the Virgin Mary, Queen of Heaven; and demons will reluctantly admit that Mary is the Queen of Heaven. “Nine out of ten times” Mary is the person the demoniac sees when finally delivered, and she assures them “it is over.” (Capturing Christianity, SHOCKING True Stories of Demon Possession w/ Exorcist Expert Adam Blai; Nov. 1, 2022; Time: ~1:10:00). Demons will roll their eyes and scoff at the name of Jesus, but be extremely terrified of Mary, begging the exorcist “anybody but her!” (ibid., ~1:12:00). One Roman Catholic exorcist admits that his adoration of Mary has grown because of his experiences of her power over demons: “There’s a priest who loves our Lady more because of them [the demons]” (Augustine Institute, Why the Devil Hates (and Fears) Mary w/Fr. Chad Ripperger | Chris Stefanick Show; Mar. 29, 2023; Time: ~18:00) “The single most powerful tool that we have against the devil is the sacrament of penance and confession… What you say in confession is sealed against the demon and he cannot use it against you.” (The Gracious Guest, Interview with an EXORCIST! | feat. Fr. John Szada; Jun. 18, 2023; Time: ~56:20). That people begin to glow like saints do in paintings when the demons are cast out. Saints have levitated in Mass or during prayer. Levitation of the demon-possessed is Satan mimicking God. (Capturing Christianity, ibid.; Time: ~39:00). That the names of deceased exorcists and priests can be invoked during an exorcism to scare demons away (Capturing Christianity; A Real Exorcist Reviews “The Pope’s Exorcist” w/ Fr. Carlos Martins; Aug. 10, 2023; Time: ~54:00). That revelation of otherwise unrevealed information can be gleaned by an exorcist demanding information from demons (contra Deut. 18:10; Jer. 14:14). Examples from Fr. Chad Ripperger of doctrines that were revealed to him by Beelzebub: The personal identities and names of demons, the ranks and orders of the angels and demons, their memories and emotions about their Pre-Fall history, certain phrases that hurt demons the most, that Satan’s punishment for wanting to be God was the trifurcation of his personality (Lucifer, Beelzebub, Satan), that Satan’s Fall was in part due to his jealousy of God’s decree regarding the virgin Mary, that Lucifer wanted Mary’s beauty for himself, etc. (Augustine Institute, ibid.). That the exorcist or deliverance minister ought to command the demon to state its name. Once they have its name, they have power and authority over it to command it. That demons are removed by being cast out “in Jesus name.” “You can’t get demons out by prayer. We were not told to ask God to get the demons out, we were told to cast them out. Jesus gave us only one way. They have to be commanded out by us. You have to verbally call them out by name, the same way you get a dog’s attention. Demons must obey.” (Vlad Savchuk, How To Cast Out Demons – The Biblical Way; Sep. 7, 2021). That demoniacs will not touch a cross or crucifix, rather, they will recoil from it. That demons will be silent at “the name” of Jesus Christ. (Ken Zenk, Exorcism – Dr. Walter Martin; Oct. 17, 2016; Time: 42:00-44:00). purelypresbyterian.com/2023/11/27/sat…

If anyone’s curious, a Catholic exorcism includes 12 psalms, readings from 3/4 gospels, and many prayers that exclusively call upon God to cast out evil spirits. It invokes the Saints exactly twice, once during the beginning litany and once at the end with the St Michael prayer.

Some points are just objectively true and Christian. That the name of Christ has power of demons, and that confession is an important tool against them. Demons desire you to wallow in your sin and to fall into despair, confessing your sins and having them forgiven by Christ is objectively the best thing you can do. The same is true for sacramentals like a crucifix or holy water. Scripture tells us that faith can give even everyday objects like a robe power to heal, why would it be different for symbols of faith like a crucifix? The power always comes from God.

You kind of word vomitted at me but I’ll try to respond to each point. Some of these stem from our disagreements on the intercession of the saints which is a whole other topic. These include the first citation (SHOCKING true stories ~1:10:00), the third citation (Why the devil hates Mary ~18:00), and the sixth citation (a real exorcist reviews ~54:00) Some of these are either misquotes or just completely untrue. These include the second citation (ibid shocking stories ~1:12:00, misquote) and the ninth citation (Vlad Savchuk, completely untrue)

Both the traditional rite and the revised right are available below (unofficial translations) The official English translation is available in the liturgical book “Exorcisms and Related Supplications” published by the USCCB in 2016. (No garlic mentioned) onlinechurchforchrist.com/wp-content/upl…