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Magon

@punicist

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Hawaii, USA Katılım Şubat 2022
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Magon@punicist·
Map of genetic admixture of individuals from different Tunisian cities 🧬🇹🇳 - Berber ancestry is predominant for most - Arab ancestry is common, high in the South and rural areas - Pockets of high Sub-Saharan DNA in Centre and Northwest - High European admix. in coastal Tunisia
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@fromnumidia Yeah that's true (I don't think it's worse tho) but i think a big part of it is American and specifically African American culture which is tremendously influential in all contextst
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random boy 🐸☕️@fromnumidia·
@punicist It's not westernization anymore, it's even worse. It's the scattering of a hybrid culture made of the worst parts of every Internet local cultures.
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Magon@punicist·
Instagram Reels are westernizing the Arab world more than centuries of colonialism ever could have
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sicilian arabic probably comes from old tunisian itself it didn't develop independently there just due to the fact that certain distinctive features or words of sedentary tunisian can be found in malta it's just that this old tunisian evolved and probably got influenced by bedouin (which is a good thing btw bc tunisian bedouin speech has a really beautiful tonality and it's the reason why tunisian sounds melodic to other arabs) but old tunisian and modern standard tunis arabic are fairly quite close (tho i suspect old tunisian dropped the glottal stop especially in the beginning of words)
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Imados@bourema_imad·
@Lsalmaaaa @vyolfc Nope It’s sicilian arabic which is a sister branch of tunisian in origin But it’s so much bastardized it’s a whole other langauge now and the weirdest iraqi dialects are closer to Tunisian because of that
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Magon@punicist·
@nabubouk @3alaseiin @aeristwichiya It’s LARP but a lot of people do that so maybe it’s good for nation building shit but it’s LARP though it’s still true that Tunisians are the people who have the most Punic ancestry but it’s not majority anywhere in the country
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Nabû ἄζων 𒀭𒉿
@punicist @3alaseiin @aeristwichiya What’s your stance on that question? Do you consider that Tunisians should trace their origins back to Carthage, or do the passage of time and the modern nation-state concept dissociate present-day Tunisians from Antiquity?
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@nabubouk @3alaseiin @aeristwichiya Only thing you can argue is that Tunisians have the most Punic proper ancestry but it’s 30% at most in coastal regions and on average probably around 15-20% max only
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@3alaseiin @aeristwichiya With all due respect, it’s a bit insulting that you would think I don’t even know when Hannibal lived. I know it’s not your intention. Iranian and Chinese civilizations are considered to be about 4 millennia old. In my humble opinion, Tunisia began with the Carthaginians.
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Magon@punicist·
@3alaseiin @Chud12346 @aeristwichiya Punics elsewhere had some Berber but Punics in Carthage itself were mostly European (Italic/Iberian)+ Levantine mostly tho by the time of second Punic war their Berber wouldn’t be 0% but probably not more than what Maltese etc have now
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Mulaathim@3alaseiin·
@Chud12346 @aeristwichiya Yes, Punic chuds were racially some Greek-Berber ppl w/ old isolated Phoencian admix, cultural biomass with own Canaanite identity and dialect Romans owned them mfs bad, and Berbers eventually replaced the lasting of their descendants U might be from them knowing you're J2 chud
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@idcboutusers0 These suck but Amazon Prime is the greatest service in all human history
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Sammy@viajaSammy·
@punicist Block the IG and tiktok
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Two anecdotes from 11th century Zirid Ifriqiya (Tunisia), in Mahdia specifically, that attest to interactions between the remaining local Christian communities there and Muslims. Fatima was an 11th century Ifriqiyan (~Tunisian) wet-nurse of the Zirid sultan al- Muizz ibn Badis. She was born into a Christian family, but she had converted to Islam in her youth and climbed all the way to the inner circle of the Zirid court. But her family remained Christian, including her nephew. Her nephew reportedly had sex with a Muslim girl (not sure if it was consensual or not). Word spread fast. Before any judge could be summoned, the crowd took justice into its own hands and the nephew was dead in the street. When Fatima heard, she went to the (Sunni Muslim) Zirid sultan al-Muizz, and she convinced him to send troops to Mahdia, in Tunisia, to punish the city's locals for what it had done, which al-Muizz had done. Another one is about Prince Tamim, who would later become a Zirid Sultan, was in love with a local Christian girl. He wrote a poem for her, in which he says that he loves when she reads the Bible, and that, for her sake, he likes to see Christian "festivals" and listen to Christian hymns, which means that in the 11th century, the Christian population in Tunisia was publicly practicing its faith and doing processions. Note: Both those Christians and Muslims descend from the same people. In Mahdia and the eastern coasts of Tunisia in general, both would be descendants of the Afariq, or Roman Africans, as Carleton Coon accurately predicted. Most of these Roman Africans who stayed in Tunisia converted to Islam, some remained Christian and only converted centuries later (or fled to Norman Sicily). Source: The Years of the Infidels, African Latin Christianity from the Vandals to the Almohads by Marco Cristini
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Chud@Chud12346·
@punicist @kai_sa53134 Large amounts of Berber influence probably as its one of most Berber influenced Arabic dialects
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kaisa@kai_sa53134·
While Maltese … is derived from a Maghrebi dialect spoke in Eastern-Central Tunisia during the Middle Ages … These people are not serious
Adrian Major@AdrianNoShades

@levantophile Hilarious double standard. Maghrebi arabic is impossible to understand but Maltese is very easy to understand...

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Chud@Chud12346·
@kai_sa53134 I think only Hassaniyah and the Arabic dialects some mountain Berbers speak and Maybe Moroccan dialects can be argued to be too hard for eastern mfs lol
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Magon@punicist·
@3alaseiin @MED_BH11 @Utica281394 @206yvhya it goes both ways because everyone is mixing now So nowadays most have both tribal and sedentary origins That's why 1840 stats are useful bc it paints the picture before mixing
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Mulaathim@3alaseiin·
@punicist @MED_BH11 @Utica281394 @206yvhya By 2/3 I included Tunisians with maternal tribal ancestry, not just the full tribals (with tribal paternal lineage) 2/3 easily of Tunisians have a maternal grandpa or grandma who was part of a Berber, mixed or Bedouin tribal group
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