@mc1243657 @greerreNFL @TBFacts26 and on top of the tough schedule in ‘09, he clearly wasn’t playing at 100% most of the season
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@greerreNFL @TBFacts26 08: Injury, 09: Super Tough Schedule, 10: WR2 traded away, 12: Best receiver injured for 1/2 the year.
Crazy how good he was despite all that.
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@BillClog501 @OinkFish_Pigs Lmao I admit I am a little biased on Garcon (my loyalties are split between Pats/Washington, and I thought he played great for us, including stepping up in 2013). Definitely didn't have the best hands. Even so, you could do a lot worse, esp. when you already had Reggie
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@reatinevarro @OinkFish_Pigs Amendola 2013, 2015, 2017 w/ NE*:
70.3% catch rate
7 TDs
Garçon 2009, 2010 w/ Manning:
54.0% catch rate
10 TDs
* was 4th WR in 2014, 2016, 2018
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Peyton is also the better player so this isn’t too surprising
Brycen 🏆@Brycen2047
Good afternoon, Peyton Manning has 4 more All-Pro selections than Tom Brady, 2 more MVP’s, the same number of OPOY awards, and only 1 fewer Pro Bowl selection despite playing 5 less seasons
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@BillClog501 @OinkFish_Pigs Garcon was way better than Amendola/Hogan lol. Wayne/Garcon was a very solid 1-2. As a reg-season receiver, I think you could easily argue Garcon was just as good as Edelman, who got crazy target volume. White and Tamme were not good at all, yes
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@reatinevarro @OinkFish_Pigs If you wanted to argue Wayne’s presence means he had an elite player in a comparison w/ 2014-2015/2018 NE, that’s fine.
But I’d argue Ammendola/Edelman/Hogan are all superior to White/Garçon/Tamme.
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@BillClog501 @OinkFish_Pigs Fair enough. But I will die on the hill that the Pats/Brady go on a crazy run from ‘07 to ‘09 if he doesn’t tear that ACL. He finally got truly elite weapons, put up the best season oat up to that point, and then immediately took a 2-year career intermission
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@reatinevarro @OinkFish_Pigs 🤷♂️
Brady got to 3/6 SBs from 2001-2015 in seasons Peyton was either ineligible for the PS (2001, 2011) or clearly not 100% after he tore his quadriceps tendon @ the end of 2014.
I just feel like it’s a hollow argument on both accounts.
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@BillClog501 @OinkFish_Pigs All fair. Tho I will ask: where are you getting like 2.5 seasons of Manning not having elite skill pos. players? I could see 1998, but what else?
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@reatinevarro @OinkFish_Pigs Edelman wasn’t an elite RS performer but he averaged 8 catches 103 YPG in the PS from 2013-2018.
I already acknowledged Peyton obviously had better WRs for a larger % of his career starts. Just saying the total starts - Brady has 69 more games played - is similar.
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@BillClog501 @OinkFish_Pigs Manning won both those MVPs in 2008 and 2009, so: a year where Brady did not play and then a year where he was clearly not 100% post-ACL tear.
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@reatinevarro @OinkFish_Pigs Maybe 2003-2006 but 2007-2012 it could be argued Brady had superior receivers yet Manning had same # of MVPs (2) & more 1AP (3 vs 2)
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@BillClog501 @OinkFish_Pigs Also, the total starts metric means Brady had 205/333, and Manning had 227/265. And I imagine you’re counting Brady’s Gronk+Edelman offenses in the elite category, but that is not remotely close to what Manning was working with during most of the 2000s.
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@BillClog501 @OinkFish_Pigs The point is that when Manning was in his prime and winning 4 of his 5 MVPs, Brady was essentially not in a position to be all that competitive statistically.
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@Brycen2047 I love how it’s not even close to confirmed that Brady did it, yet you’re still posting shit like this. It’s like you’re looking for reasons to hate the guy. Pats have the worst online fanbase lmao
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@BillClog501 Tbf, in a sample size this small, the comparison comes down to Peyton dominating a pretty bad Patriots team in '13 and Brady nearly getting killed on the field in '15.
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Brady in the PS vs Manning from 2nd Half of 2006 AFC Championship Game to end of 2015 AFC Championship Game:
0.015 EPA/Play
Manning in the PS vs Brady from the 2nd Half of the 2006 AFC Championship Game to the end of the 2015 AFC Championship Game:
0.262 EPA/Play
Tom Brady Facts@TBFacts26
Here are Brady and Peyton’s playoff stats in Super Bowl winning runs By single game EPA/Play, there are 17 Brady games before you get to the first Peyton game
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@KeedicDon69 @GPalmerMA @TBFacts26 @iglen31 This is way too championship-focused. Aikman and Kurt Warner over Marino?Let’s be serious.
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Here are Brady and Peyton’s playoff stats in Super Bowl winning runs
By single game EPA/Play, there are 17 Brady games before you get to the first Peyton game
Steve Palazzolo@StevePalazzolo_
Rough look for Peyton in the playoffs
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@KeedicDon69 @GPalmerMA @TBFacts26 @iglen31 Eh. I don’t think there’s a world where Manning’s not a top-4 qb of all time.
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@GPalmerMA @TBFacts26 @iglen31 Cant have a sub .500 playoff QB on a mt Rushmore, it discredits the mt Rushmore. Its brady, montana, unitas, graham. Those were the 4 unanimous QB selections on the NFL 100 team
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@TBFacts26 Wow, I was told that Brady played poorly on most of his SB runs and got carried? These numbers can’t be right.
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@ryanmichael I do not think you can reasonably fault a defense for giving up points to one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, and to single out that one game as indicative of the Colts defensive performance that postseason is crazy cherrypicking.
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@reatinevarro Giving up 27 points in an AFC Championship game with the season on the line = “whatever”?
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Is there a weaker Super Bowl champion—outside of quarterback—than the 2006 Colts?
• 30th in defensive points allowed per drive
• 27th in average starting field position
• Leading rusher: 18th in the NFL
• Third-leading receiver: 107th in the NFL
• Allowed 27 points in the AFC Championship
GIF
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The funniest possible answer though is Mac Jones:
- bitter about how things ended in NE
- knows Josh McDaniels
- division rival with Seattle
Mike Kadlick@mikekadlick
That Mike Macdonald quote is wild and it would make sense if it was Tom Brady. The conflicts of interest: — #Patriots legend — Supreme knowledge of the Josh McDaniels offense — Fox announcer (i.e. off record production meeting info) — Raiders owner waiting to hire Kubiak
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@BBCInMemoriam This narrative is genuinely insane. And borderline disrespectful to the franchise’s greatest player. Pats fans can be hard to love..
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Brady, who by all accounts is close friends with both Vrabel and McDaniels dimed out inside info to the Seahawks to help them win the Superbowl? I'm not following the logic..
Mind Ascends ⭐@MindAscends
@MySportsUpdate @dpshow Definitely Brady. Since he worked with McDaniels he probably gave him all his quirks and tricks. What a scumbag
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@Brycen2047 @Dubes123 Fair enough. Either way, I’d be more likely to believe it was Brady if McDaniels/Vrabel weren’t on the Pats coaching roster. Even if he doesn’t like Maye, feels extremely out of character to screw them over.
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@reatinevarro @Dubes123 Knowing the tells is something that’s fairly common though for someone who simply watches and knows enough.
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@Brycen2047 @Dubes123 Down to the specific o-line tells that the current players have? Ngl this feels like it must have been someone from the late Belichick / Mayo regime.
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