Steve Lloyd

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@ElliottJeffries @cafedujord Maybe we are using different definitions of middle class. 2008 was a buyers market, but could true blue collar middle class workers afford a home in that map area in 2008 without external financial support? No way.

@repeatingbeats @cafedujord The last true SF buyer’s market was the 2008 economy crash but you could say anytime where prices were lower than now would have been a relative buyer’s market. Buyers markets usually mean nobody has money to buy houses, it’s all relative.

Are the working and middle class *homeowners* of San Francisco's sunset and richmond districts in the room with us right now? Because, uh...

@TheUnsaid11 @cafedujord But nothing is forcing them to sell.

@cafedujord Income & middle class cash budget but with an old house with old plaster walls & outdated early 20th century wiring with fuses, still means they're middle class. If they're forced to sell, they'd still have spend that money on expensive housing if they want to live in SF.

@ElliottJeffries @cafedujord When was the last "buyers market" that allowed the true middle class to purchase homes in this map area? How many decades do you have to go back?

@cafedujord Actually those coveted houses are owned by middle class homeowners who bought in buyers market. Now it’s a sellers market, don’t blame NIMBYS, it’s how the market rolls. Don’t be blind to real estate opportunities elsewhere or you will never find anything.

@treeeckob @cafedujord Yeah I was primarily responding to the homeowners point. There are a lot of west side homeowners who *actually* care about neighborhood ambiance who drive the displacement fear argument as a means of achieving their goal of limiting development.

The original post about homeowners is a bit off. Normally, the homeowners may be displaced due to increased property taxes, etc. But Prop 13 (for better or worse) protects them from that in California. What the homeowners may lose is the neighborhood ambiance they prefer. But they're not going to be unwillingly displaced. So this is about localized individual benefit pitted against regional benefit. About existing homeowners vs aspiring homeowners and renters.

@treeeckob @cafedujord Sure, but those people are under zero threat of being unwillingly dispossessed of their homes. The existing homeowners will be fine. Non-homeowners in the middle class are already priced out. So why the fear around displacement?

I mean they bought back when those houses were ~500k, and thanks to Prop 13 they pay property taxes according to that valuation so they stick around. This does mean they have a lot of net worth on paper and could move elsewhere, but in practice they do live "middle-class" lifestyles outside of owning the now-expensive home.

@rohindhar Do you tend to represent buyers or sellers in these deals?

Three of the first five transactions where I’ve represented clients in 2026 have been “off-market” Because the market here in San Francisco has gotten so competitive, having a slight informational edge about property that might or might not be for sale is a big advantage HOWEVER Buyers are usually surprised to learn “off-market” in general means MISERY unless the seller has a clear intent to sell

@rohindhar We pass this on our school commutes and wow does it stand out, particularly when every light in the house is on at night. Kind of surprised this got built that far out into the avenues.

This absolute unit of a home in the Richmond District of San Francisco went under contract in 6 days

@SageCanaday What is special about those times and paces though? Everyone has a different potential, and every minute gets harder getting closer to that potential. It's not like my long battle to break 2:40 is "worth less" because my peak potential happens to be lower.

….. Every minute you get closer to a low 2hr marathon things get harder and harder as you one approaches their “full potential”. The seconds and minutes become “worth more”. This is a difference in pace between averaging 5:43/mile vs 5:11/mile…..it’s a night & day difference!!

I said it once and I’ll say it again: Most runners don’t realize (and some don’t seem to respect) how big of a chasm it is to go from say 2:30 in the marathon to 2:16…. [I’ve run 15 marathons between those time ranges]……

@Vivek925 @SelenaC10705 That Sunset Blvd is still below pre-pandemic traffic levels.

@SelenaC10705 What do traffic stats indicate?

Sunset Blvd commute isn’t that busy today. Many hybrid workers work from home on Fridays to extend the weekend. Yet Sunset Blvd is slowly turning into 19th Ave, except there are multiple schools along the corridor. That should raise serious safety concerns.

@KimChiSpicey @RoRRRyHate @sometimes_salty I don't see cars in that image

@RoRRRyHate @sometimes_salty Albert Chow’s team is working on a ballot measure. Seems likely that they’ll get it through. He’s more doing than Alan Wong and he’s not even supervisor. secure.actblue.com/donate/great-h…

Yeah. Like traffic, closed roads, broken stoplights, $3 an hour to park in GGP, removing street parking, closing SFUSD schools, and AI surveillance cameras all over the city. All things that #1 donor GrowSF and their other lackeys made a reality. All they do is add red tape.

@Sr_Lazarus This is a great analysis. I've been waiting to see something like this. I wish more people understood that it's actually faster to get from one end of Chain of Lakes to the other by going down to Great Highway. Why do so many people just choose to sit in traffic?

well guess what: some of the stuff you've heard about the Great Highway closure in #SF being a nightmare is just ... wrong

@cfreud @LarryQ6 @SelenaC10705 @AbbyNormalSF @bryanculbertson @mudagainstawall All anecdotal, but I have heard quite a few No on K voters say that they have changed their mind and would not vote to close the park on weekdays. I have not heard a single Yes on K voter say they regret their vote.

@repeatingbeats @LarryQ6 @SelenaC10705 @AbbyNormalSF @bryanculbertson @mudagainstawall Thank you. Voting to take something away is a lot different than voting for something. ... Especially when the electorate will have already had things taken away by high prices and insurance. This is bad strategy whatever one thinks of Sunset Dunes.

The Great Highway should remain a shared space, not an all-or-nothing political trophy for self serving public servants and their powerful lobbyists.

@LarryQ6 @cfreud @SelenaC10705 @AbbyNormalSF @bryanculbertson @mudagainstawall Appreciate the respectful debate. I don't think hyperlocal control (those closest know best) is the answer. West side voters want a say in many city issues that disproportionately affect the east side, because at the end of the day this is all funded by citywide taxes.

Your points are well made, it's a matter of whether they're worth putting 14k cars onto local streets on weekdays. I think not, you think they are, it's fine to disagree. I understand why some people like the park, and why more people are using it than when it was just the path and promenade, but a majority of D4 and D1 residents --those closest to it-- don't think that's worth closing the road on weekdays, when the promenade and path are available. Wouldn't they know best who prefers what? (I'll cheekily add that some people use the park because the extra traffic on the roads makes zipping down Sunset Dunes on an eBike the least-worst alternate.) We should keep in mind too that the backup on Skyline and Sloat is about to get worse, once the southern spur is finally closed. So the final chapter hasn't been written yet. And when 19th Ave repaving hits full gear we may be living in Interesting Times.

@LarryQ6 @cfreud @SelenaC10705 @AbbyNormalSF @bryanculbertson @mudagainstawall And if it matters at all here, my bonafides are that I am a commuting (to downtown) working parent (two kids in SFUSD schools in the Richmond) who lives in D4. I experience the downsides too, and I think it's all worth it.

@LarryQ6 @cfreud @SelenaC10705 @AbbyNormalSF @bryanculbertson @mudagainstawall People can disagree about whether or not the tradeoffs are worth it to have it be a full-time park, but it's incredibly frustrating to keep being told that the path and promenade are perfectly fine when so many park goers actually don't agree that they are fine.

@LarryQ6 @cfreud @SelenaC10705 @AbbyNormalSF @bryanculbertson @mudagainstawall I'm down there frequently on weekday mornings and evenings. Mornings definitely less popular. That 4-6pm window on weekday evenings is pretty popular though if the weather is even half decent. SFRPD reports 6pm as peak time for weekday visits.

@repeatingbeats @cfreud @SelenaC10705 @AbbyNormalSF @bryanculbertson @mudagainstawall I should have stated 2-6pm for the evening commute pain, school pickups and such. My bad.

@LarryQ6 @cfreud @SelenaC10705 @AbbyNormalSF @bryanculbertson @mudagainstawall How much time have you spent at Sunset Dunes on weekday evenings? "pitiful uptake" does not describe what I have seen at all. I guess we see this differently. If this makes the ballot, I am fully expecting to see the park supported at even higher levels than Yes on K.

Why not? Given the pitiful uptake of the park during the week and the inconvenience for Peninsula residents, why couldn't it happen? SF voters are reasonable, with a few exceptions of course. When I was campaigning in Noe the #1 question I got, by far, was "what's prop K?" There were no strong feelings about it. People saw 'free park' on the ballot and checked the box. Politely explaining the situation to them can make a difference. Not everyone east of Twin Peaks is a bike coalition zealot.

@LarryQ6 @cfreud @SelenaC10705 @AbbyNormalSF @bryanculbertson @mudagainstawall You really think that Daly City residents are going to convince Noe Valley residents to unwind the park by complaining about commute inconvenience? The grievance-based messaging from car commuters didn't work last time around. Why should anyone think it will work next time?

I'd give it 50% for being on the November ballot. You're right, people are exhausted after fighting their own supervisor, recalling him, having the new guy fail to get four other BoS members to co-sponsor a ballot measure (after one of them said he would), all this after trying and failing to stop prop K. So, it's natural for people to be frustrated. On the other side, when 19th Ave repaving starts in earnest in May-June, that may concentrate some minds. Next time through the pro-GH team *has* to get out of the Sunset and Richmond and make their case in Noe, Castro, Dogpatch and North Beach. Otherwise it's a rerun of K. Does no good to get 70% in D1 and D4 only to lose by that margin in those other spots. Even if it goes 55-45 elsewhere that would be enough. Another piece of neglect last time was not recruiting neighbors in Daly City the Peninsula to the cause. These are people who *used* the GH every day and got no vote, no say in the matter. We need them on the frontlines as well, telling the folks in front of Whole Foods on 24th street, "I used GH every day to get to work and help my family in the city, and got no vote. Can't you restore weekday access for working people like me?" Do that and there's a chance.