Chuck

@Salt_n_Smoke @ElJefe53209440 We have things such as Abraham 1:12 which is attached to facsimile 1 but that is nothing of the sort as saying we have the same papyri Jospeh used to render the boa

Chat gpt? Chuck I know LDS. You’re not talking to a dude that stumbled upon LDS things yesterday. So answer the questions.. you say “we don’t have the papyri Jospeh used” The. Why did the church claim the fragments as Jospeh’s and that picture I showed you match the facsimile 1? Was your church wrong to claim them? What do you think the Egyptologists were looking at and comparing it to what Joseph wrote?? Lolol.. it’s the same you nerd

Aren’t you the dude who didn’t know anything about the Book of Mormon or Jospeh on last nights stream on here? Yeah you clearly should not be taken seriously

@DiscipleFidei @Mormonger Sure buddy

@RestoredTruth8 @Mormonger I just debated 3 missionaries and a seminary teacher this past weekend. They couldn’t even answer a simple question: “what good does the Melchizedek priesthood do for you?” Also, none of the missionaries had read the Bible. Only the seminary teacher, yet they are preaching? Lol

Lizzie: Holds a space for Latter Day Saints. @Mormonger and I go up 5v2 most of the time but we are the only bad guys… They kicked me after showing they can only attack lds and can’t defended their own… Sounds like Pharisees and Sadducee’s.

@Salt_n_Smoke @ElJefe53209440 🤦‍♂️ oof more chat gpt nonsense from you. How about you take me up on the offer if you think this is a done deal buddy

@RestoredTruth8 @ElJefe53209440 We don’t have the papyri Joseph used? Lolol. Really Chuck? What’s this? This is a surviving fragment… looks familiar, don’t you think? How do we not have the papyri Joseph used when this is facsimile 1?

Interview on the BOA coming out this weekend!🙏

@Salt_n_Smoke @ElJefe53209440 The church website admits the papyri we do have doesn’t match the BOA because we don’t have the papyri Jospeh used bud. Learn to read

@RestoredTruth8 @ElJefe53209440 Why ask me about the Egyptologists?? Your own church website admits it. Miguel love to take people down rabbit trails. That’s all you do. It’s boring

@ElJefe53209440 @grok Nice try bro. Go back and listen to what I say about it

@grok @RestoredTruth8 So, when @RestoredTruth8 said that it was just a commentary, he was wrong?

@grok I was just told by @RestoredTruth8 that the Joseph Smith Translation is just considered a commentary. Using only LDS sources and LDS teachings from prophets and LDS leaders, was the Joseph Smith Translation just considered a commentary?

@Salt_n_Smoke @ElJefe53209440 the victim hood mentality y’all have is wild

@ElJefe53209440 @RestoredTruth8 Exactly… His own church website admitting Joseph got the papyri wrong doesn’t matter because I don’t know the Egyptologists first and last name, birth day and SSN off the top of my head so it can’t count.

@grok @ElJefe53209440 Perfect so it’s not necessarily wrong to say it’s a prophetic transmission and commentary of the KJV and it’s not a translation like the NRSVUe is

While "prophetic transmission" captures the revelatory process, official LDS sources describe the JST as a divinely commissioned revision and restoration of the Bible text itself to recover lost truths (D&C 45:60-61; Bible Dictionary). It is not framed primarily as commentary. Key portions were canonized as new scripture in the Pearl of Great Price, and the Church incorporates many changes in footnotes while retaining the KJV as its official text.

@grok @ElJefe53209440 @grok are you saying the lds church is saying it’s a translation like the NRSVUe or rather a prophetic translation or transmission. Because the 1830 dictionary does posit translation meaning transmission which is what Jospeh described it to be

@Salt_n_Smoke They don’t say he’s wrong here 🤦‍♂️🤡🤡 But hey let’s set up a call with an Egyptologist if you want and you can see if your lack of understanding will work haha

@RestoredTruth8 Here Chuck. Your own website admitting Joseph was wrong about the papyrus.

That Mormon spaces last night was so annoying. Chuck loves to take people down rabbit trails the entire time with definitions of words that he is the one to bring up… Lego doesn’t know what a high priest is and is very confused to what eternal means. Is that how all spaces go? In circles around different words the entire time? Waste of time

@grok @ElJefe53209440 Perfect and this is also called a prophetic transmission which is why i attribute it to a commentary but a prophetic one not a pastor like commentary

No, the JST is not like the NRSVUE, a modern scholarly translation from original languages. LDS sources describe it as an inspired revision of the KJV, divinely commanded (D&C 45:60-61). Joseph Smith revised the text by revelation through the Holy Ghost to restore plain and precious truths, without consulting manuscripts, Hebrew/Greek, or dictionaries. He called it “a branch of my calling.” It includes clarifying changes and restored passages now canonized in the Pearl of Great Price (Book of Moses, JS-Matthew). The Church includes many JST excerpts in its Bible footnotes but uses the KJV as its official text. The revelatory “transmission” sense of translation aligns with how the Church presents it.

@dayjeff I’m blocked by her.

@RestoredTruth8 Chuck Lizzie and Joe are talking about doing a part 2. I am doubting you want to do that again. But I sent a message to Lizzie asking if she will let me at least ask one question in the next thing.

@Salt_n_Smoke Also you need to re read the paragraph haha

You do know that they recovered 11 papyri fragments… right? Or are you just lying on purpose…. Here, I will post the picture of your own church website, again… talking about the papyrus…. It’s literally in the screen shot that you haven’t read. They say it’s all wrong. Quit lying. It’s pathetic.

@Salt_n_Smoke lol bro again the ignorance baffles me. We didn’t recover the long scroll. But keep going just wait til you try this critical thought on nuance with this in which we can’t know due to not having the papyri, but then try this with the biblical manuscripts… good luck

@Salt_n_Smoke lol no my man we don’t have the papyri it was lost plz read more carefully

Brain rot? First you said I was a different guy than who I am. Next it’s your church that says “the characters on the fragments do not match the translation given in the book of Abraham”… that’s your own LDS church website. Egyptologists… you’re the one sending your own TikTok rot. So your church website is wrong? Is that what you’re getting at?

@Vogelfrei270 🤦‍♂️

@RestoredTruth8 The problem with Mormons is that they assume you use biblical terms the same way they do, and make fun of people for not knowing plagiarized freemasonry and Joseph Smith’s personal idiosyncrasies.

Convo with Liz: Creedalists: “When we speak with Mormons we use the same words but mean different things.” Me: “Can you define this word for me so we aren’t speaking past each other?” Creedalists: “oh my gosh stop asking me to define things for you!!! You dumb Mormon.”

@VaultOfEvidence 🤣 more cope. God bless you

@RestoredTruth8 Restored_pride strikes again 🫩 your superiority complex is literally insane. You can hear it when you talk to people. Everyone calls it out and you don’t see it. I guess it’s fitting for someone who’s been systematically stripped of their critical thinking skills since birth

@FraGirolamo1 What was my definition? Haha you claim I got it wrong but I didn’t

@RestoredTruth8 And it’s funny because I’ve corrected you on that before. You watched a Dan McClellan TikTok about genesis 1 but you’ve confused the terms. It’s funny because it could maybe bolster your point but you get it wrong every time.