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Ryan Harvey

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“all the law is fulfilled in one word, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself” Gal 5:14

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Ryan Harvey
Ryan Harvey@ryanharvey·
@DavidGabrielDJ @CFBReport I mean, again, not really because of offense. Maiava threw for over 300 yards. USC gave up a touchdown on special teams and could stop the run.
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Ryan Harvey@ryanharvey·
@JohnnyH5000 @ITalkOfChrist That is her choice and her opinion. This reeks of property doctrine, which I reject, but I wouldn’t deny her the right to proceed as she feels inspired. Others will feel differently. It’s personal.
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John@JohnnyH5000·
@ryanharvey @ITalkOfChrist We would be wrong to deny people the blessings of paying tithing by discouraging them, especially those in need. God has promised to open the windows of heaven and bless faithful tithe prayers abundantly. The question is whether we believe Him. #p18" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-…
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Matthew Watkins
Matthew Watkins@ITalkOfChrist·
PSA: Don't tithe on only your "increase." It's a bugaboo of mine when people say the Lord defined tithing as "10% of your increase." If you look in D&C 119, you'll find that word is never used: "Those who have thus been tithed shall pay one-tenth of all their interest annually." Not increase. This may seem pedantic, but it's actually not. When people incorrectly read "increase" into the text, it's easy to say "My checking account looks the same this month as it did last month. No increase, no tithing." "Interest" is less inclined to that interpretation and gives Church leadership more room to define tithing in a way that works for our time and circumstances. And their guidance has changed over time. For example, in the early days of the Restoration, the annual tithing was a sort of "wealth tax" equal to 1/10th of an assumed rate of inflation on your net worth. If the assumed inflation rate was 3%, you would pay 0.3% of your net worth in tithing at the end of the year. In that sense, it was truly an "increase" interpretation of "interest" at that time. But in today's less agrarian conomy, Church leaders have given us a new standard: "Tithing is the donation of one-tenth of one’s income to God’s Church (see Doctrine and Covenants 119:3–4; interest is understood to mean income). All members who have income should pay tithing" (34.3.1). That definition still leaves a lot of wiggle room about what classifies as your "income." Net v gross? Tithe on retirement contributions now? Later? Or both? What about scholarships and grants? House sale? Faithful Saints do the math on "income" differently, and that's okay. But it's disingenuous of us to pretend an "increase" approach is kosher today. Don't be stingy with the Lord. Don't label everything "corban." However you define your "income," pay an honest tithe on that income and watch the windows of heaven open in your life. It's worth it. I promise.
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Ryan Harvey@ryanharvey·
@dfw_ugo No offense and I feel bad for her but she shouldn’t be getting in the way like that.
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UG💸@dfw_ugo·
Imagine hitting all those emotes to still get your shit rocked
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David G@DavidGabrielDJ·
@CFBReport Lincoln Riley offense?? They lost to Illinois
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Ryan Harvey@ryanharvey·
@ITalkOfChrist Anyways, it’s between you and the Lord anyways so I don’t know why you are spending this much effort on this. I think the Lord would rather us be out serving and loving our neighbors and families vs. not picking over this. If you feel better a certain way, go for it.
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Matthew Watkins@ITalkOfChrist·
@ryanharvey So again, we arrive at you letting your interpretation of a single verse of the D&C put you at odds with church teachings.
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Ryan Harvey@ryanharvey·
@ITalkOfChrist Lots of people with lots of opinions but ultimately the Lord declared, and the church has officially chosen to NOT define it anything beyond: “one-tenth of one’s income annually”. That’s it. Income/Surplus ≠ Revenue (and happens to jive with OT and D&C era practices too). ✌️
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Matthew Watkins
Matthew Watkins@ITalkOfChrist·
Matthew Watkins@ITalkOfChrist

Where does the Church say we should tithe on what we earn before expenses? Here are just a few: 1. "Tithing is the donation of one-tenth of one’s income to God’s Church (see Doctrine and Covenants 119:3–4; interest is understood to mean income). All members who have income should pay tithing." -- The Handbook, the Gospel Topics, and dozens of talks and Liahona articles 2. "Church members have been counseled to pay their tithes and offerings before paying other expenses, even necessities... [Many] pay for immediate needs like food, shelter, transportation, and health care first, while intending to save money and pay tithing with what is left. [But] while this practice may be very common, there is a better approach to financial stewardship: When you receive income, first pay your tithing and then set aside money for your future self—even if it’s just a little bit. Then, use what is left (the majority of your income) to pay for your living expenses." -- Church Personal and Self-Reliance manual 3. "Please note that the tithe is not just any freewill offering, nor is it a 20th or some other fraction of our annual interest or income... [Interest] is the wage of one employed, the profit from the operation of a business, the increase of one who grows or produces, or the income to a person from any other source.... Pay your tithing to the Lord first, before you meet any other financial obligations." -- Oct 2006 General Conference 4. "“If paying tithing means that you can’t pay for water or electricity, pay tithing. If paying tithing means that you can’t pay your rent, pay tithing. Even if paying tithing means that you don’t have enough money to feed your family, pay tithing. The Lord will not abandon you.”" -- Dec 2012 Liahona 5. "Our tithe should be the very first thing we put aside to pay, before anything else. This prioritizing of paying our tithes is reflected in the words of the Savior: “Heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.” (Matt. 6:32-33) Our Church publication, “For the Strength of Youth” counsels: “Pay [tithing] first, even when you think you do not have enough money to meet your other needs. Doing so will help you develop greater faith, overcome selfishness, and be more receptive to the Spirit.” (p.38) -- President Terence M. Vinson 6. "President Faust said he was taught the importance of tithing by his grandfather, whose farm he worked on during the Great Depression. Though a drought was causing cows and horses to die for lack of grass and hay, 'Grandfather told us to take the wagon to the corner of the field where the best stand of hay stood, fill the wagon as full as we could, and take it to the tithing yard as payment of his tithing.' President Faust expressed deep respect and amazement at his grandfather's dedication. 'I wondered how Grandfather could use the hay to pay tithing when some of the cows that we were depending upon to sustain us might starve,' he said. 'Ultimately, I marveled at his great faith that somehow the Lord would provide.... He never became wealthy, but he died at peace with the Lord and with himself.'" -- Pres. Faust 7. "Paying Tithing First Actually Helps Your Budget" -- churchofjesuschrist.org/self-reliance/… I could go on, but that's sufficient for now. We are clearly taught to tithe on our income, not on our income after expenses. I encourage everyone to revisit the self-reliance manual: churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/p…

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Ryan Harvey@ryanharvey·
@ITalkOfChrist What are they asking us? Income. What’s income? Well, it ain’t revenue. That makes zero sense.
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Ryan Harvey@ryanharvey·
@ITalkOfChrist It say 10% interest “defined as income” annually. There’s nothing else to say.
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Matthew Watkins
Matthew Watkins@ITalkOfChrist·
@ryanharvey The church handbook and the words of modern prophets are a more relevant guide to us than your interpretation of scripture
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Ryan Harvey@ryanharvey·
@ITalkOfChrist Surplus takes care of that. You have a stewardship, you determine your surplus and what are basic needs vs. luxuries.
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Ryan Harvey@ryanharvey·
@ITalkOfChrist To ask a person to tithe when they wouldn’t even have the remaining surplus to feed and house their family is gross to me. I don’t believe the Lord wouldn’t want that scenario.
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Ryan Harvey@ryanharvey·
@ITalkOfChrist Want to contribute more. By all means. Make a generous fast or other offering.
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Matthew Watkins
Matthew Watkins@ITalkOfChrist·
@ryanharvey "I don't care what the Church says, I want to do it the way they did it in the 19th Century."
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Ryan Harvey@ryanharvey·
@ITalkOfChrist A post-basic needs, surplus approach avoids a very regressive tithe on the poor which could even lead some to be paying tithes and then in turn require assistance to need the need they could’ve met themselves.
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