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@saasliam

Helping B2B SaaS like Instantly, Granola, incident, Sova and others get more customers from SEO & AI assistants like ChatGPT.

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Liam
Liam@saasliam·
@searchmartin What’s the point of SEO if not to generate revenue for the business? Not sure what your position is here. Their conversions from organic search have been increasing, that’s what matters most
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Martin MacDonald
Martin MacDonald@searchmartin·
"We lost all our SEO traffic, but our paid conversions are doing ok" Straw Man Fallacy, definition: "Instead of addressing the actual situation, framing a completely ridiculous or weaker version of the argument to make themselves look better."
Gaurav@agarwal__gaurav

Valid point .. we learnt and are iterating, Very confident that we will recover SEO again. However, Our Paid Conversions from Organic (Search + AEO/LLM*) captured here. AEO is 8-10x more higher value than SEO. Search is changing! *our attribution includes MTA + HDHYAU + MMM (Not applicable in this case) Would love to chat further and trade notes. Pls feel free to DM me

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ILIAS ISM
ILIAS ISM@illyism·
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Today we reduced headcount by 22%. The business is the strongest it's ever been. So I think it's important to be direct about what I'm seeing and why. First, I made this decision and I own it. I did it because the way to operate at the highest level of productivity is changing, and to win the future, ClickUp needs to change with it. Second, this wasn't about cutting costs. Most savings from this change will flow directly back into the people who stay. We'll be introducing million-dollar salary bands. If you create outsized impact using AI, you'll be paid outside of traditional bands. Most importantly, I have the deepest gratitude for those affected. We're doing this from a position of strength specifically so we can take care of people properly. Everyone affected receives a package aimed at honoring their contributions and easing the transition. I only see two options: wait for this to play out gradually in the market or be honest about what I'm seeing and act proactively. THE 100X ORGANIZATION The primary change is that we're restructuring around what I call 100x org. The goal is 100x output. The roles required to build at the highest level are fundamentally different than they were a year ago. Incremental improvements to existing systems won't get us there. We need new ones. That means creating enough disruption to rebuild rather than iterate on what's already broken. The common narrative is that AI makes everyone more productive. It doesn't. Many of the workflows of today, if left unchanged, create bottlenecks in AI systems. These roles will evolve. But waiting for that to happen naturally means falling behind now. The 100x org is actually heavily dependent on people - infinitely more than today. This is only possible with 10x people that have embraced and adopted new ways of working. THE BUILDERS, AGENT MANAGERS, AND FRONT-LINERS — THE BUILDERS: 10X ENGINEERS I don't think most companies have internalized what's actually happening with AI in engineering. The common narrative is that AI makes all engineers more productive. That may be true in isolation, but at an organization level - that is the farthest thing from reality. Here's what we've validated recently at ClickUp: the great engineers, the ones who can orchestrate, architect, and review, are becoming 100x engineers. They're not writing code. They're directing agents that write code. The skill is judgment. AI makes the best engineers wildly more productive, and everyone else using AI slows these engineers down. Think about it - the bottlenecks are (1) orchestration - telling AI what to do, and (2) reviewing - what AI did. Everything is leapfrogged and no longer needed. So who do you want orchestrating and reviewing code? And how do you want your best engineers to spend their time? If your best engineers are spending time reviewing other people's code, then this is inherently an inefficient bottleneck. These engineers can review their agent's code much faster than reviewing human code. The new world is about enabling your 10x engineers to become 100x. The wrong strategy is to push every engineer to use infinite tokens. Companies doing this are celebrating 500% more pull requests. But customer outcomes don't match the volume of code being generated. I call this the great reckoning of AI coding, and every company will face this soon if not already. More code is just another bottleneck to the best engineers, and ultimately to your company's impact as well. — THE BUILDERS: 10X PRODUCT MANAGERS Product management and design roles are merging. Designers that have customer focus, become more like product managers. And product managers that have intuition for UX become more like designers. The bottleneck of user research is gone. It takes us just one mention of an agent to kickoff research and analyze results. The bottleneck of product <> design iteration is also gone. The product builder iterates on their own, along with agents and skills that ensure alignment with quality and strategy. Also controversial today - I believe that the wrong strategy is to have your PMs shipping code - that just introduces another bottleneck that the best engineers will waste their time on. To be clear, PMs should be coding but they should do this in a playground to iterate, validate, and scope. That code should not go to production. Everything outside of managing systems, orchestrating AI, and reviewing output becomes a bottleneck. That's why the other roles that are critical along with these are the systems managers (to reduce bottlenecks) along with a bottleneck you can't replace - customer meeting time. — THE SYSTEM MANAGERS Ironically, the people that automate their jobs with AI will always have a job. They become owners of the AI systems - agent managers. We have many examples of these people at ClickUp. The underlying systems in which we operate are absolutely critical to get right. I think most companies are delusional to think they can iterate on existing systems and compete in this new world. You must create enough disruption so that old systems are deprecated entirely. If there's any definition for 'AI native' that's what it is. — THE FRONT-LINERS In a world that will become saturated with AI communication, the human touch will matter more than anything to customers. This is a bottleneck that you shouldn't replace - even when agents are high enough quality to do video meetings. One-on-one meeting time with customers is something that shouldn't be automated. The systems around the meetings should be - so that front-liners spend nearly 100% of their time with customers. REWARDING 100X IMPACT In a world where companies are able to do so much more with less, where does that excess money go? In our case, much of the savings in this new operating model will flow directly back to those that enabled it. We must reward people that create productivity accordingly. This aligns incentives on both sides. Plus, in a world where your best people create 100x impact, you can't afford to lose them. You should aim to retain these employees for decades. The context they have and their ability to efficiently orchestrate and review will be nearly impossible to replace. Compensation bands of today should be thrown out the door. We're introducing $1 million cash/year salary bands with a path available to nearly everyone in the company if they produce 100x impact by creating or managing AI systems. THE FUTURE Nearly every company will make changes like these. The ones that do it proactively will define what comes next. The future is not fewer people. It's different work, new roles, and better rewards for those who embrace it. We're already seeing entirely new roles emerge, like Agent Managers, that didn't exist a year ago. ClickUp is positioning to lead this shift, not just internally, but for our customers too. I've never been more certain about where we're headed.

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Daniel Fazio
Daniel Fazio@danielfazio·
He’s getting $62 qualified booked calls. Make them all no show
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Liam
Liam@saasliam·
@JoshLachkovic the latter, my thought is that you may be able to create better HITL workflows within slack and it's shared information rather than everyone stuck in their own terminal
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Josh Lachkovic
Josh Lachkovic@JoshLachkovic·
@saasliam Do you mean Slack specific agents or using Slack as a frontend for a Claude code agent? We’ve experimented with the latter, but tbh not yet got the slack-served versions to be as smart as natively in CC
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Liam@saasliam·
i spend several hrs using tools like claude code every day but i'm yet to use agents inside Slack am i missing out / is it worth doing? interested to hear use cases
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Liam@saasliam·
@JohnnyNel_ so you're mostly using for knowledge exchange?
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Johnny Nel | AI for Founders@JohnnyNel_·
@saasliam Slack agents seem clunky at first but they crush those repetitive team questions... saves way more time than you'd expect
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Liam
Liam@saasliam·
@avia_chen few weeks of pain worth it to get away from webflow!
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Avia@avia_chen·
@saasliam If only our site was easy to rebuild.. 😅
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Avia@avia_chen·
The state of Webflow
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Liam
Liam@saasliam·
@andrehaykaljr not sure if i attended the first one you're referencing but it was a great time when i went
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Andre Haykal Jr 🇺🇸🇱🇧
Andre Haykal Jr 🇺🇸🇱🇧@andrehaykaljr·
we hosted our 1st in-person Client Ascension event in Tampa a few years ago invested 130k+ lost 20-30k after ticket sales short term, it looked like a bad decision years later, we can trace 7 figures of downstream business directly back to the relationships, the content captured, and the trust built that weekend short-term P&L is a terrible way to evaluate decisions that compound most founders run their business like every line item has to win on its own some of the best money we've ever spent took 12 months to show up on a spreadsheet
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Jeremy S - 0 to 100M final boss
Jeremy S - 0 to 100M final boss@AIProfitsLegend·
@saasliam God if I’m not I don’t know who the hell would be Beta user of clay, was doing personalized IR outreach the week GPT 4 came out. I’d put my back end systems head to head against anyone’s
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Liam
Liam@saasliam·
who's the best outbound focused GTM agency?
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Liam
Liam@saasliam·
@robj3d3 I live 5 mins from that first pic, lmk if you want to link up
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Rob Hallam
Rob Hallam@robj3d3·
I just moved to Cyprus 🇨🇾 My first impressions and why I moved: > it's safe (unlike rest of Europe) > friendly people (unlike rest of Europe) > quiet > clean air > fast WiFi > tax friendly > great coffee > amazing food > very walkable > incredible weather > affordable (€2 for coffee, €7 for meal) > great laptop cafe culture (unlike rest of Europe) > growing tech scene (unlike rest of Europe) It's been so long since I had somewhere I could lock in from and call home. I was torn between UAE and Cyprus but the last month made my decision for me. And so far I am so happy with my decision.
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Yoann Pavy
Yoann Pavy@yoannpavy·
still londonmaxxing
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Liam
Liam@saasliam·
@yoannpavy rule that i live by: take everything said on these VC circuit podcasts with a pinch of salt
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Yoann Pavy
Yoann Pavy@yoannpavy·
i just finished listening to 20VC with Elena Verna from Lovable first of all i do respect Elena, she’s a goat on growth and doing great but i don’t agree with this narrative of organic growth needs to be above 60% or you’re dead on arrival and meta ads are bad for you
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Liam@saasliam·
Twitter was YEARS ahead - ppl like @danielfazio put thousands of people onto modern way of cold email for example but since Clay a lot of VC money has been poured into GTM tech companies, which all market to each other primarily through LinkedIn content, ads & outbound More GTM content on LinkedIn means more competition, more innovation
Shubh Agrawal@ShubhAgrawal26

you’ll have no idea but gtm twitter is wayy begind gtm linkedIn when it comes to actionable insights and sauce.

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Liam
Liam@saasliam·
@ClimStefan By brand awareness i meant him posting about these projects - it goes semi-viral and builds awareness for his companies, likely results in business impact Likely more biz impact than the pSEO itself
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Clim Stefan@ClimStefan·
@saasliam so it would be better to start pSEO after normal SEO, a little brand awareness and some first page posts? Like when you are a little established, and pSEO gives only a boost?
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Liam
Liam@saasliam·
@kamilrextin yep, sounds about right although i thought the "native emailer" was actually still Smartlead under the hood via a partnership
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rext.in
rext.in@kamilrextin·
Here's some Sunday armchair analysis Clay just launched Clay Ads, and part of me wonders if this is the beginning of a bigger shift. They started as middleware: chain APIs together, enrich data, build workflows, really elegant execution. GReat prodcuct but had a learning curve. But hey they invented a whole category of gtm eng But middleware has a problem: the value leaks off-platform. Your enriched contacts go to HubSpot. Your emails go to Smartlead. Your audiences get uploaded to LinkedIn manually. Clay touches everything but owns nothing. ZoomInfo ran this playbook. Started as a data provider, then realized the data was just feeding other platforms. So they built Marketing OS, Sales OS, and absorbed the activation layer & went up the value chain (TBD if they make a CRM play) Hubspot bought clearbit for the data (though they havent integrated as strongly as it could have been) Shopify did it too. Store → payments → fulfillment → email → lending. Every time value leaked, they plugged the hole. its the platform playbook Now Clay is doing the same thing: Native emailing (no more Smartlead or instantly leakage) Clay Ads (no more manual audience uploads or Clay -> CRM -> Audience match) Next up… CRM layer? Here’s the thing: at their valuation, they kind of have to? You can’t be a $1B+ middleware company (though zapier may disagree). You either become the system of record, or you get absorbed by someone who is. The enrichment and orchestration moat is also eroding. Claude Code + APIs means anyone can chain together the same data sources. The “hard part” is getting easier every month. So Clay has two choices: Move up the stack. Own the data AND the activation AND the workflow. Become the GTM operating system. Stay as middleware and watch margins compress as the orchestration layer gets commoditized. They’re clearly choosing #1. Whether they can out-execute HubSpot, Salesforce, Apollo, and a dozen AI-native startups on multiple fronts simultaneously… it will be interesting to see it play out
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