@ymnis_v1 Well we just the antiwoke ragebaiters to get their favorite unwashed YouTuber to make 10 videos about it. and hey we're all on the same side of this so I'm all for it.
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Squirtle Squad 08th Division
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the “Free Stellar Blade” petition got over 95k signatures.
gaming really said “the outfits are 3x more important than the manufacturing pipeline” 💀
Wccftech@wccftech
Sony fans gather 30,000 signatures to save PlayStation discs, but factory retooling suggests the shift is likely already irreversible. 🔗 wccf.tech/1kr39
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@Detective_Roo Remember when the games they gave you were yours and you kept them even after you cancelled PSN? I still have mighty no9 on ps3 lol
Ok bad example but still
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They even stopped giving PS4 games, and they've given nothing in return.
PlayStation Nostalgia@PlayStalgiaX
Remember when PlayStation Plus gave you 2 games per month for PS4, PS3, and PS Vita?
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@D1996Mr @TheDezembro I don't have the delusion that I can read minds. He said something like "who people voted for" and the protect games act failed literally the day before. Even if you're right if anything if he wanted to piss off pro maga or whatever he'd just say so.
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🤠 it's true. It's been the orange man since the very beginning.
- Horse armor
- Capcom on-disc dlc
- The ever-rising prices of mtx
- Fifa Ultimate Team
- Lootboxes
- 36 Battlepasses per year
- "Online Passes"
- Battlefront 2 60,000 credits to unlock a hero
- Monetized "Orcs" in Shadow of War
- 10 dollar skins in Assassin's Creed "e-store"
- Fallout 76 lol
- Fallout First lol
- Nintendo Amiibo bullshit
- 10 different "EDITIONS" for preorders
- Paid Mods
- Pay to play online
- Sims 4 and the 800 DLCs
- 18 dollars for a blue gun skin
- That whole thing with Destiny 2's cryptograms or whateverthefuck
- NFTs
- lol Need for Speed Payback's "CARDS" unlocking vehicle upgrades
- Pay To Win schemes
- DRM to block used games or game borrowing
- The "180 credits to buy" but "200 credit packs on sale" thing meant to make u buy more
- NBA 2K's in-game casino
- ^ One of these assholes also put ads in-game
- Game Price hikes to $70
- Game Price hikes to $80
- Subscriptions + increases in their prices
- Console Price Increases
- Disc drive sold separately (limited supply triggering scalping)
- etc
I mean yeah it's all just the orange man. If not for him we would all be having a good time in a greed-free industry because clearly all these things are because these companies can't survive. They can't turn a dollar :/
Big bad orange man bad
Tactikal Templar@TemplarsRoar
Did Maximillian Dood just blame the SONY no physical disc situation on Trump?!
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@BM16813660 @MugenLord I think the thing about that topic is it's basically been decided long ago sadly because they've been doing that for years. I hate that we ever let them get away with it too.
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@MugenLord I'm somewhat frustrated that in the entire discorse around this, there is little noise on this making it easier for developers to be lazy/wasteful with file size and optimisation
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I'm kinda in the middle when it comes to game keycards. Developers are currently paying $12 to $15 to put games on the currently available size cards. If game sizes are becoming too big for these cards, and if Nintendo decides to create bigger-sized cards for developers. Yes, game prices will go up to cover the costs developers incur just for the cards. So, then you must ask yourself, as a gamer, whether you're willing to pay that upcharge for those physical games.
Yeah, game key cards eliminate that problem, but at a trade-off. The Switch 2 needs to access the internet once to receive the game's license. After that, you can play it as much as you want.
Unlike digital codes, the game keycards can be traded and sold. My issue is that the current cartridge options are limited. Correct me if I am wrong, but the only options available are 1GB, 2GB, and 64GB.
No developer is going to put a 4GB game on a 64GB card, so they will simply use game keycards.
Switch 1 had 1GB, 2GB, 4GB, 8GB, 16GB, 32GB, and 64GB cards. Correct me if I got it right. The Switch 2 needs more developer options, so there will be fewer Game Keycards in the future.
I currently own 1 Game Keycard: Y's Nordic.
⍑⍲☈⌾ 🍥♓@TaroTheCerelean
Honestly, the hate on Switch 2 Game-Key Cards is kinda missing the point. They aren’t some corporate scam to screw us over—they’re actually saving physical gaming. Look at the tech reality right now: games are just too massive. A ton of modern titles are way bigger than the 64GB cartridge limit. If Nintendo started manufacturing massive 100GB+ carts to fit them, the retail price of those physical games would be absolutely astronomical. Instead of just giving up and going 100% digital-only like everyone else, Nintendo actually found a pretty clever middle ground. Plus, there are some major perks people are overlooking: The Switch 2's onboard SSD is pretty good. Running a huge game from internal storage instead of a slower cartridge means way better performance and barely any loading screens. Unlike a digital code that gets locked to your account forever, the physical card *is* the license. That means you can still lend it to a friend or resell it when you’re done. You still get the actual box for your shelf, and stores can still stock them. At the end of the day, it's just a practical solution to a really tough hardware problem. Game-Key Cards are basically Nintendo's way of recognizing that fans still love physical media and trying to keep it alive. 🤷🏾♂️ The only thing I wish is that there were Switch 2 models with higher internal storage 😩 256GB these days is not enough lol
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@D1996Mr @TheDezembro He didn't even say his name but I mean, yeah sure ok. Why even argue
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@squirtle41389 @TheDezembro No he was trying to pin Sony's failures onto Orange man.
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@WatsonRPGs @Uratnik I still regret missing out on the DS version, I have the PS1 version but , meh. Im still hoping for a 2dHd remaster
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@Uratnik Amazing! Hope it gets a modern port someday
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@MLGecko627 I mean I've already lived this. There's literally like only about two games out of the 40 physical ps5 games I have that are wholly exclusive to ps5. Spiderman, GOW. FF7R, FF16. And I didn't really care then. Now without physical it would be meaningless to own a ps5 for them.
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@NormBreaker3 Nintendos long sales tails and consistently high prices have always given their games higher value which has always benefited reselling them too, to be fair. I still agree they should do sales more.
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Mario wonder is still $60 and the Switch 2 Edition is $80, btw
Dee-Pad 🎮@Destructo_Dude
This situation is so funny to me.
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@xetoilzethos Not sure how this is any different than any other small start up business. Thankfully printing discs is cheaper than ever. But it's a question of a balance of consumer needs and rights and the smaller publishers needs and if the two can't meet than it shouldn't and can't work.
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I have a friend who's been doing indie for about 30 years now. He told me once about the pain of having to manually burn every disk himself. Sounded like an absolute nightmare.
He ended the story by saying "I'm glad I never have to release a physical game again."
Blessed with the 'tism@blessedtism
The reality that the physical enthusiasts don't want to accept is that physical media is bad for the industry and not inherently good for gamers either. - Physical is obsolete (slow!) - Physical is expensive (printing, shipping, retail shelf space!) - Physical is subject to property damage (I've had more than one game rendered unfinishable by scratches that would lead to the game freezing during a FMV cutscene) - Physical enables secondhand markets that are basically equivalent to piracy for publishers, except worse because it involves customers willing to pay for their games - Physical production ceases pretty shortly after release because of the above, which means new copies cease to be created, and eventually the copies that were produced are lost to the ravages of time The only way to actually preserve a game is with DRM-free digital copies that you can freely reproduce onto whatever physical media you prefer. The only way for publishers to ensure they can sell their games indefinitely is by controlling how they're sold and distributed, which requires digital releases (far more affordable) and maybe DRM (if they want to avoid losing sales to people willing to pay $0 and risk running dangerous software). Whichever side of the consumer vs publisher spectrum that you're on, the ultimate answer is digital, for different reasons.
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@blessedtism @JasonFrizbee I somewhat get your points but it's irrelevant if this consumer/publisher relationship isn't equitable and losing physical media is a hard line for me and millions more. If l a publisher can't deal with it than I don't think they should exist.
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The reality that the physical enthusiasts don't want to accept is that physical media is bad for the industry and not inherently good for gamers either.
- Physical is obsolete (slow!)
- Physical is expensive (printing, shipping, retail shelf space!)
- Physical is subject to property damage (I've had more than one game rendered unfinishable by scratches that would lead to the game freezing during a FMV cutscene)
- Physical enables secondhand markets that are basically equivalent to piracy for publishers, except worse because it involves customers willing to pay for their games
- Physical production ceases pretty shortly after release because of the above, which means new copies cease to be created, and eventually the copies that were produced are lost to the ravages of time
The only way to actually preserve a game is with DRM-free digital copies that you can freely reproduce onto whatever physical media you prefer.
The only way for publishers to ensure they can sell their games indefinitely is by controlling how they're sold and distributed, which requires digital releases (far more affordable) and maybe DRM (if they want to avoid losing sales to people willing to pay $0 and risk running dangerous software).
Whichever side of the consumer vs publisher spectrum that you're on, the ultimate answer is digital, for different reasons.
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I don't understand this. Why would anyone argue on behalf of greedy corporations? The people I've seen do it today have a YouTube podcast with like 10 views lol. Tons of people still collect physical. I haven't bought a digital game or blue ray movie in years.
Terrell Mallory@_Twinndiesel
Playstation stopping physical copies of games doesnt affect me in the slightest. Hard truth is everyone still invested in physical digital media is living in the past. Only market alive fr is vinyl. And go look at vinyl revenue comparative to years prior. Its all dyin out slow🤷🏾♂️
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@HateNerdz I know, I agree. They're still being influenced by external factors like ram shortages, the next console will be 1k which will price people out and theyll want every digital sale they can get from people those high spenders. But they've also wanted to kill physical for years.
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@squirtle41389 Adding an optical disk drive doesn't cost that much, especially because Sony doesn't have to pay blu ray licensing fees. We're talking like $35. They're doing it because they want to phase out physical media
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“Gamers” are cattle, they will blame anyone and everything for the problems of the industry other than themselves for allowing it. You really think Sony and Microsoft made digital-only editions of their consoles for fun? It was the lube before they ram in digital only
Tactikal Templar@TemplarsRoar
Did Maximillian Dood just blame the SONY no physical disc situation on Trump?!
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@casey_Payne23 There's also literally still physical PC games, like new ones. They're way less common but physical PC doesn't have to just permanently disappear unlike proprietary console media because anyone can publish physical PC media.
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Pc is digital and has a library worth of 50 plus years with no subs required or internet to play. Completely different digital. You can also buy an external disc drive since forever and burn your games to a disc. As you always could. Again it’s completely different dude. This is not a closed ecosystem owned by ONE COMPANY
It’s also interesting how I can play every PS in house from PS1/2/3 on PC but can’t on PS4/5
deion@Mr_too_soon
Maybe I been living under a rock but isn’t pc digital ? Or is everyone out here being pirates lol that why they switching to pc lol
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@MiloslavBlazena @FEVPete @ShyVortex My question is is what is that for specifically? multiplayer? Will the game boot without the update at all? I'm not 100% on how the splitcscreen works for this but there was confusion around needing a PSN account and service to play local too and I wrote it off immediately
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@FEVPete @ShyVortex WRONG INCORRECT BUZZER
Thats installing from the disc. Downloading is an internet requirement.
Microsoft intentionally ruined the Indiana Jones and physical Oblivion remastered releases by requiring an internet download to make the game playable. They didnt go with 2 discs.
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@Schnurzpiepe420 @GoDoggers @ShyVortex We DO care, we're not the one moving the goalpost, THEY are. WE don't want less reason to appreciate physical media, we never did. This is typical corporate bullshit with them taking things away and getting away with it. Why is it our fault if we appreciate what's left?
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@GoDoggers @ShyVortex Its funny how first you idiots come with the video game preservation argument and when this shit happens you instantly fold and suddenly dont care about it anymore 🤣
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@DowntownAmeliaG @Vensaval Well I have a feeling you won't like either but at a certain point there's no other option. Its already been crashing with mass layoffs every single year the past 5 yrs. It has to be a hard crash for that to work. I'm right there with you already but "innovation" isn't helping us
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@squirtle41389 @Vensaval I know you hate to hear this but you can't fix this with legislation. The industry is headed for a soft crash, the only way to fix this is by not giving them your money, not drafting bills that will cripple innovation.
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> Sony is getting rid of physical media.
> Max: "This happened because people voted for very specific people."
Which very much sounds like he's blaming Trump for a company choosing to not make a specific kind of product and that makes zero sense.
How do you even reach that conclusion?
Gaming companies have been moving towards this for many years now despite the outcry from gamers voicing how they're vehemently against it.
Tactikal Templar@TemplarsRoar
Did Maximillian Dood just blame the SONY no physical disc situation on Trump?!
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@DowntownAmeliaG @Vensaval The ai bubble will pop eventually too so yeah that'll be hectic for the game industry too, and prices SHOULD fall but we can't trust that they will completely.
Well... wait, companies getting away with greed IS political. We need consumer rights bills like the protect games act
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@squirtle41389 @Vensaval And ram prices are going to drop because you can only have so many Data centers, not to mention OpenAI hasn't even paid for their reserved ram stock. The issue is companies are doing shitty practices and Max is waving it away and blaming politics
peq42.com/blog/openai-ca…
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@ShirouUBWEmiya Well we should push the government to pass the protect games act and other consumer protection for digital and physical media at least. they recently tried to pass it in California
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The government has nothing to do with it. People are willing to pay $80 for games, plus even more for hardware and other overpriced junk. If consumers weren’t such mindless spenders, gaming wouldn’t be in this mess.
Tactikal Templar@TemplarsRoar
Did Maximillian Dood just blame the SONY no physical disc situation on Trump?!
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@MC_Sadist Also apparently the microlens that the game disc manufacturing factories workers are being trained to build instead of discs are heavily used in data centers so they're using this to meet that demand too
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@MC_Sadist I completely believe this and saw something about this a while back. You do have to factor in other things like chip manufacturers quitting selling retail to sell privately which is greatly going towards data centers.
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@MC_Sadist They have to price it at a certain amount. Ram is the same way. Costs also went up during COVID because people stopped working and the supply lulled, and it was so hard to get a ps5. Except this looks permanent
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@MC_Sadist Well that's part of it, but building these fuck ass centers is apart of that collusion. It's simple supply and demand. It's like how oil hasn't gone up because we can refine it here no problem, it went up because the world's supply is out of wack. The oil corps arent just greedy-
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