@owenbroadcast Why not the highest plant due to their proximity to humanity?
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Patrick
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Patrick
@sterasmas
ML Engineer, researching the application of AI to cognitive science and biology
Katılım Ağustos 2024
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it seems significant that mushrooms breathe in oxygen, like animals, unlike essentially all other plants. this lesser known fact has some philosophical implications - we can imagine spiritually filing them as the “lowest animal”, rather than the popular view of an atypical plant:
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this is an incredible example of how preconceived notions are projected on sensory experience and it points to what the 7th fetter is about (conjuring concepts out of thin air and seeing them instead of penetrating with one’s senses directly)
Henry Shevlin@dioscuri
This user posted an actual Monet, said it was AI, asked people to explain what made it inferior. They obliged 😂 Tracks with research showing people systematically downgrade their aesthetic assessments of art when told it’s AI-generated. See — nature.com/articles/s4159…
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I think if you view the work as him trying to map out morality, his lack of "ought" statements make more sense. The idea of a "Nietzschean" always puzzled me; it's like postmodernism but for morality, just questioning the structure of it while supplying an alternate view that he doesn't exactly endorse. He recaptures like Darwinian tribal ethics in how power and temperamental differences naturally lead to a moral structure.
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I seem to have upset some Nietzscheans, who are, of course, notoriously sensitive little last men. Chesterton is possibly being too dismissive here, but I think his larger point remains fair: Nietzsche suffers from excessive equivocity, which is especially evident not only in the fact that Nietzscheans don’t agree on how to interpret him but also in the fact that many Nietzscheans do agree that his critique was always more compelling than any positive vision — because he had no clear positive vision: his very much hoped for revaluation of values, for instance, ultimately flopped like a badly made cake.
I still like Nietzsche quite a lot tho. I’ve learned much from him, and would even say that his pagan atheism is preferable to the stupid atheism of 18th century rationalists like Dawkins. But in the final analysis, even for all of his magnificent provocations and profound insights, he is simply not my master.
And anyway, bending the knee to him, funnily enough, would be something he’d utterly revile.
Duncan Reyburn@duncanreyburn
“This, incidentally, is almost the whole weakness of Nietzsche, whom some are representing as a bold and strong thinker. No one will deny that he was a poetical and suggestive thinker; but he was quite the reverse of strong. He was not at all bold. He never put his own meaning before himself in bald abstract words: as did Aristotle and Calvin, and even Karl Marx, the hard, fearless men of thought. Nietzsche always escaped a question by a physical metaphor, like a cheery minor poet. He said, ‘beyond good and evil,’ because he had not the courage to say, ‘more good than good and evil,’ or, ‘more evil than good and evil.’ Had he faced his thought without metaphors, he would have seen that it was nonsense. So, when he describes his hero, he does not dare to say, ‘the purer man,’ or ‘the happier man,’ or ‘the sadder man,’for all these are ideas; and ideas are alarming. He says ‘the upper man,’ or ‘over man,’ a physical metaphor from acrobats or alpine climbers. Nietzsche is truly a very timid thinker. He does not really know in the least what sort of man he wants evolution to produce. And if he does not know, certainly the ordinary evolutionists, who talk about things being ‘higher,’ do not know either. Then again, some people fall back on sheer submission and sitting still. Nature is going to do something some day; nobody knows what, and nobody knows when. We have no reason for acting, and no reason for not acting. If anything happens it is right: if anything is prevented it was wrong. Again, some people try to anticipate nature by doing something, by doing anything. Because we may possibly grow wings they cut off their legs. Yet nature may be trying to make them centipedes for all they know.” G.K. Chesterton, Orthodoxy (1908).
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@hyruliangoat @HydroFoundry Your reticence to answer the question suggest you're just a CCP simp. muting this
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@sterasmas @HydroFoundry What does the CR have to do with anything?
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Xi Jinping is more American than most Americans.
From a 2015 speech
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No offense but this is a classic "the classic view understates the influence of something -> this something is actually more influential than the classic 'most influential' thing"
Just because the negative effects of suppression are understated (they totally are I agree) does not mean they are stronger than a state program that catalogues, surveills and arrests all dissenters once they get influential enough.
Take the case of Jack Ma. When was USA economic elite member publicly kidnapped for like a year when he criticized the government?
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@sterasmas @hyruliangoat @HydroFoundry Suppression is even more effective than straight up censorship.
Censorship means they respect and fear the voice of the people enough to make it a crimes to dissent.
The American style of suppression means your voice is worthless
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@hyruliangoat @HydroFoundry >Realize he is wrong
>"erm actually I don't care what china does"
Perhaps don't waste people's time with your opinions on it then...
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The “facts” that happened to be said during a period of heightened anti China propaganda? The same or similair claims are always levied against Russia, China, etc alwYs so conveniently to then forgotten about. And i dont mean by the public, i mean by american officials. So again, theres a reason why its not discussed anymore.
My point in whataboutism at least here is I dont care what China does. I may think something is good or bad but so what? people will criticize other countries adn turn the blind our to our own. So even if i say all of that is true, awful, etc, now what? So I denounce it as bad and objectively true, what happens now? How does this affect the direction my country goes? Thats what you arent getting with what im trying to say.
It is only recent history that had us not be friends with China or Russia. Russia supportedthe North during the civil war, we defend China against Japan and send pilots. China and Russias officials/diplomats came to America to study Ameircan economic policy they implemented in their own governments that you literally see today, especially in China.
You can bad mouth them all you want, it doesnt do anything.
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Patrick retweetledi
@lukeburgis Paul visits Twitter in Greece
“All the Athenians and the foreigners who lived there spent their time doing nothing but talking about and listening to the latest ideas”
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@lukeburgis Was considering researching/writing an antidote to such an issue. Is it already covered well here? Doesn't necessarily mention a cure but I doubt you wrote the book without considering!
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Augustine had a word for the vice of the internet age: curiositas. It doesn't mean "curiosity", but rather a disordered desire for knowing stuff regardless of its real value. It is the intellectual twin of bodily lust—the following of ephemeral passions without regard for consequences or what they're leading to. It's the act of knowing stuff as a form of possession; as if knowing everything that the latest Dwarkesh podcast guest had to say has any real value in itself.
Nassim Nicholas Taleb@nntaleb
A reminder. As with food, we spent most of our history deprived of information and craving it; now we have way too much of it to function and manage its entropy and toxicity.
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Rather than answering the question you just did a whataboutism. I will address this point by point
"What aboutism isnt a fallacious argument."
-> I do not claim it is. But it is besides the point I'm asking your opinion on.
"Ughyer propaganda is played out for a reason. Literally no one talks about this anymore, theres a reason for that."
-> People not discussing a horrible reality doesn't make it untrue. Countless testimonies and the fact that you can get organs on demand there trivially prove it is still a problem, as well as the reeducation camps that are well documented. If you don't think this, that's okay. But we simply disagree on the facts.
" And if you want to still use that, and lets say its 100% true"
-> Why cast doubt on something with zero supporting evidence? Do you think forced organ harvesting, forced sterilization, and imprisonment based on ethnicity didn't happen at scale? (Again, you should answer this without a whataboutism)
"then I jope you are against the decades of middle eastern wars and unnecessary deaths of Muslims in the middle east."
-> I am against this. Even if I wasn't, fighting in a poorly thought out foolish war is not the same, certainly not as bad as forced organ harvesting/forced sterilization/cultural imprisonment
"America aborts tens of thousands of babies by the year "
-> Against this too. Abortion is far more permitted in China as well. This is why I said not to do a whataboutism
"You cannot name one thing China does that the US doesnt do the same or worse or its own unique way"
-> Forced organ harvesting, genocide, state surveillance , protest crackdowns, imprisonment because of your ethnic group (no, police discrimination is not the same as the state literally saying "your crime is beinga Uighur/Muslim).
If you are the kind of person that would conflate the GWOT, which is a large collection of battles where the civilian and opposing forces are by definition hard to separate with a genocide where you go round civilians up and put them in camps, we aren't going to be able to proceed productively. You can acknowledge the evils the USA has done but still understand they are nowhere close to Chinas in the modern world.
If you're going to try to go to the past and talk about our history of slavery or something, again, the level of inhumanity and the sheer count of people killed in the wake of the Chinese state is far greater.
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Already responded to this. What aboutism isnt a fallacious argument.
Ughyer propaganda is played out for a reason. Literally no one talks about this anymore, theres a reason for that. And if you want to still use that, and lets say its 100% true, then I jope you are against the decades of middle eastern wars and unnecessary deaths of Muslims in the middle east.
America aborts tens of thousands of babies by the year
You cannot name one thing China does that the US doesnt do the same or worse or its own unique way
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@hyruliangoat @HydroFoundry Suppression is not the same as the government imprisoning you indefinitely with no due process if you disagree with them. Something way more common there than here
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@HydroFoundry Insert complaints endlessly for years of supression online on facebook youtube removal of conservative leaning subreddits cops showing up to peoples house for speech they dont like etc etc etc etc etc etc
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@hyruliangoat @HydroFoundry Do you think this rises to the level of a genocide and forced organ harvesting? Please answer without a whataboutism
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@HydroFoundry Insert video of cops during covid, raids during covid, raids post Biden win, supression of free speech in colleges, etc etc etc etc etc etc
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@BlueskyLibs @AndrewCFollett Thanks for such a well written tweet. Learned 'cocksure' here
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People usually peg Trump’s election as the time when liberals lost it, but it was really Obama’s presidency that began the left’s extreme intolerance.
Before Obama, I was able to be a vocal conservative dissenter in law school classes. It set me apart, but I was at least tolerated by the worst professors and appreciated by the best ones who liked classroom debate.
Obama’s presidency changed everything. Liberals were simultaneously so triumphalist, cocksure of their permanent electoral control, and so enamored with Obama that any criticism was illegitimate in their eyes, and they felt empowered to shout down dissent.
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In undergrad, I called Obama an idiot in front of a professor...citing the fact that he was the only editor of the Harvard Law Review to never publish a law review.
She literally screamed at me while frothing at the mouth.
Never said how I was wrong though!
PoIiMath@politicalmath
I want to see a celebrity roast of Barack Obama just to prove how utterly terrified every edgy counter cultural offensive comic is when it comes time to actually criticizing a sacred cow
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@poetengineer__ What did you use to produce the visualization? Desktop app or is this in browser?
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~ memory is a flock of birds ~
i built a hopfield network and taught it the alphabet - then watched it remember in real time by adjusting the temperature.
no neuron has the whole picture. the memory is distributed across every neuron’s connections.
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I totally see that angle, but to me, the resolution is weird. Is it supposed to symbolize a "leap of faith" when Owen is asked to bury himself to wake up?
It was a unfortunately great allegory for transitioning in many cases:
social contagion/a person you think has good intentions for you asks you to do something intuitively dangerous for yourself.
It paints him rejecting something dangerous on its face - being buried alive and dying - as a fear he should overcome, that he should trust his friend despite his intuition.
But overcoming that fear would be foolish!
In this way I feel it fails at being A) an allegory that represents any reasonable wisdom and B) a compelling plot
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@sterasmas @CommonSentiment I saw it as a story of a life unspent. Of playing it safe and never going for what will make you happy. Of course for the director it was specifically transitioning but the message was broad enough that it could cover any dream.
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One of the worst aspects of trans freaks is the way they latch onto and hollow out genuine artistry so they can burrow in and eat it from the inside like some insect parasite, destroying what was good and true and leaving nothing but a worthless disgusting dead husk
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@unrealraz @Jakey876757 @MattHausmannAtx @WisdomBuried @Jbn3ex "why it was originally structured like that seems less known" -> it's a coincedence. we are in agreement
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@sterasmas @Jakey876757 @MattHausmannAtx @WisdomBuried @Jbn3ex You're confused by what the coincidence is N+8 being night in those languages is a coincidence regardless of the shared etymology.
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I wish the humanities were still serious disciplines. I have never met an English major who was particularly bright or curious
Merriam-Webster@MerriamWebster
You may have noticed that the word for ‘night’ in many languages appears to be that language’s word for ‘eight’ with an ‘N' in front of it. English: N + eight = Night German: N + acht = Nacht French: N + huit = Nuit Spanish: N + ocho = Noche Italian: N + otto = Notte Portuguese: N + oito = Noite ⬇️
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@CCGordon33 @CommonSentiment You found "I Saw The TV Glow" moving? With respect for your opinion, that is shocking to me. It seemed disrespectful of the viewers time, just a collection of scenes with little payoff. I suppose you can project your own meaning onto something so structureless/surreal.
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@CommonSentiment I genuinely like Jane Schoenbrun, I Saw The TV Glow was a very well made and moving film. But please don’t take David Lynch’s name in vain. References are the lowest form of entertainment. Just be your own weird self don’t emulate others.
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@sociopath_watch @coloradan29 @rowanfornow You're misreading what I said. Do you think their loss of prestige is primarily due to this campaign, or their own actions?
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@sterasmas @coloradan29 @rowanfornow The (formerly) most popular conservative commentator explicitly campaigned against universities (and their educational value) at universities. Don't insult my observational skills.
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If you sign up for a beta waitlist, have to wait a month, then are invited to a call where a 22 y/o rep explains that actually, they have to interview you to make sure you're a "good fit for the beta", and no, they will not demo it for you beforehand, you totally just missed out on the product of the century bro!
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@sociopath_watch @coloradan29 @rowanfornow He's exaggerating sure, but can it really be called a campaign if it's almost completely unforced and self inflicted? These institutions lowered their standards and their reputations suffered. All they had to do was say no to the unqualified.
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@coloradan29 @rowanfornow Colleges have not lost all influence. Don't be so prideful in the delegitimization campaign.
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