the_pasemi

@_Mira___Mira_ @MugaSofer Have you convinced the police to investigate

Rationalists and EAs support liars and criminals who raise money for "art projects" or to do good things, and then spend it harassing people and actively doing bad. I will continue saying this until they publicly confess to everything they did for this game. Quietly telling me or hinting isn't enough. I don't know what the stated purpose of the money is. Maybe it's "building rationality skills" or some bullshit. But they've given people hundreds of thousands of dollars, some of them told me "I was unconsensually sent to a psych ward"(it's probably a room labeled "psych ward" and people are supposed to laugh about it, but they've also denied there's a game so we must interpret it literally), they're willing to commit crimes, and nobody is acknowledging any part of it. They blow me off with "Mira isn't it productive to move on and forget about it"?. And no: If rationalists don't think they did anything bad, and raised money to do something bad, and plan to do more things like this in the future, and haven't given any public clear signal that such plans have changed, then it's actually more important than anything I'm doing because "hundreds of people, millions of dollars" vs. "1 person".

EAs and rationalists play "hyperstitioning" games every year where they manufacture stories and lie to people and commit crimes(they broke into my Apple and Discord accounts and streamed an audio feed to their bot swarm; and they stole my roommate's id). Whenever I see drama, I assume they're doing it for attention. Did somebody really throw a Molotov Cocktail at Sam Altman's house earlier this year? Well, last year as part of their ARG there was a "work with local police to turn in the guy that was threatening to blow up Sam Altman's car with C4 explosives". I didn't buy it, so the guy made increasingly crazy claims, and eventually the rationalists had the local Seattle police call me and say they're tracking him as a "possible threat to the state". He writes me letters from an ICE detention center(he gave me the name of his judge) likening himself to Hitler. Now, when I say "manufactured story", I don't mean that it's false. Probably if I scheduled a visit to that jail, he'd be there. I mean that it's "manufactured". Did an OpenAI agent hack HuggingFace? Well, in order for it to not be a crime, HuggingFace would've had to consent. I think there was an "open source AI" cluster of people including EleutherAI, Nous Research, and HuggingFace that were aware of this ARG. And they're willing to involve the police. So maybe that did happen, and maybe the logs will corroborate it. But maybe it's another manufactured story. These are "heavy" compared to just overreacting on Twitter. I also think EAs and rationalists create fake drama on Twitter in order to get attention. I don't know if it's related, but I have a very low opinion of EAs and rationalists after their hyperstitioning games, and lying to the public by pretending to take a meme seriously so everyone thinks you're a "Karen" might be some test of propaganda or something. There's a good argument to be made that it would be expensive and not make any sense to do random legally-risky shit. But here's a letter rationalist Hitler sent me from jail. He sent me the name of his judge. They showed me records in government databases that were fake/AI-generated as part of their propaganda testing. And people on X know about this game and are instructed not to confirm or deny anything. And if you press them, they'll just lie and say nothing is happening. I have a cryptographically signed email from a police detective who called him a "threat to the state"(over the phone). So even if you don't know why, the rationalists are spending active effort to trick you and manufacture stories and lie to you. Don't assume drama is just some in-fight - they might be manufacturing stories and you shouldn't assume out of politeness that it's innocent. I thought this game might be some kind of cross-industry thing: Marc Andreessen was funding some people I suspect were involved, there's cryptocurrency money, lots of people participating in the lying have received $50k or $100k (they tried to give me $100k in 2024, which I declined. But then they got offended I wouldn't take their money and did things anyways) AI companies seemed to be playing. Eleuther, Nous Research, and HuggingFace aren't "rationalists". But I do think the organizers are rationalist/EA-affiliated. OpenAI was caught making fake accounts for propaganda. JonathanDoomer and DoomersAreDumb. Don't assume it's an isolated incident. If a political advocate is being a "Karen", the culture of rationalists and AI companies is so toxic that you shouldn't assume it's an innocent mistake. This person might be literally paid by someone who professionally lies to you in order to make AI safety look bad. He also is more likely to be real, since he's connected - but you shouldn't just take his apparent mistake at face value. Rationalists, AI companies, EAs, are all manufacturing stories and lying to you. There's too much money at stake, and too much "AI will kill us all" at stake, for there to not be a propaganda war. I have considered "well if some people are making 'doomers' look bad, and you have a negative opinion of them, maybe you fell for the false flag?", but even so I think rationalists and EAs knowingly participate. Because of these hyperstioning games, I no longer believe that MIRI or Eliezer or rationalists or EAs or other LessWrong people care strongly about the truth. In this game, people try to avoid obvious lies, but they lie if pressed, and "assisting in manufacturing a story" isn't lying and I think they feel clever when they pull it off.

@_Mira___Mira_ Wow they must be great at keeping secrets for you to be the only one who knows about it, there must be some great stuff about psyops in the sequences

@thermokolo Oil barons should be harder to scam

Remember when they released the original renderings for The Line and everyone said “cool but that seems impossible to build” and then it was a nobody was surprised?

@S1LLYC4TNY4 Good news: I use it for way more than that

saying retard is such a fake demon move these days like people will use it and be like "its not a slur!" but only ever use to in a situation where they feel its super offensive to the other party

@Duderichy who let the dogs out

was talking with a friend when I started thinking about the idea of “fundamental questions of the universe” 1) why is there something instead of nothing 2) why is there any order (or appear to be so) not sure what 3+ would be

@tszzl @47fucb4r8c69323 Please let this be a normal field trip

@47fucb4r8c69323 sure let’s do it

I challenge roon to a public debate on AI safety, he is wrong and needs to be shown how wrong he is. He will not accept this invitation, the excuse is either I'm too rude (I'll play nice this time, because I actually respect roon) or I'm too insignificant (us lowby accounts can't get no respect in this attention economy). I presume you'll ignore this, @tszzl?

@CoreyLeander @KelseyTuoc Excellent problem, can't wait for your next one

@the_pasemi @KelseyTuoc *cities race science guy unironically*

@CoreyLeander I guess you could argue that my 9 year old daughter is an incredibly unique snowflake and no other 9 year old in the world has this problem but I dunno.

@CoreyLeander @KelseyTuoc That would be a good reason to add it to the curriculum

@KelseyTuoc I would argue that. You as a parent didn’t mention any of this to her?

@FTheroizer @martianwyrdlord Are you people ever going to figure out how to either get better reaction gifs or just stop using them everywhere

@martianwyrdlord When has a company ever done something for nothing? Much less out of "Principle?" The real problem is that Copyright will continue to be a hurdle for anyone wanting to appropriate knowledge, including rival AI's. Also Copyright shouldn't end because a work no longer exists.

Anthropic is getting hate for this, but it's ultimately an outcome of the same disconnect between copyright law and technology that's been hobbling the Internet for 25 years. Digital telecommunications drops the marginal cost of replication and distribution of the information contained in a book, or any other media, to zero. Google Books was originally intended as an online Library of Alexandria that would provide access to every book ever written. The publishing industry saw that as a threat, and used copyright to shut that down, as a result of which Google Books is effectively useless. LLMs are essentially knowledge machines that can digest the entire corpus of human knowledge, rendering it legible and interrogable in ways that no other library does. That's very useful, but it requires, by definition, vast quantities of training data. The best training data is not Reddit posts, but books, because that's where the knowledge is. Anthropic is destroying, instead of just scanning, the books for essentially the same reason that Google locked down Google Books. Since the original no longer exists, only one copy remains, and the rights attached to purchase of the original copy transfer to the digital copy. It would cost Anthropic nothing, in principle, to make its digital library freely available to everyone, but they'd get sued into bankruptcy by the publishing industry. Meanwhile, you can go on Amazon and regularly find used copies of out of print books from even just a couple decades ago going for hundreds of dollars. The publishing industry keeps the vast majority of its back catalogue in the vault, with no intention of making it available for sale. And, ok, it isn't necessarily profitable to reprint an old book everyone has forgotten. That's fine, printing is expensive, but keeping the information itself hidden is criminally insane.

@kvo2021 I was in high school in the 2010's and we saw 12 Angry Men in class, I mentioned that I had seen it before and the other students didn't understand why I would have

I feel like I had a pretty wide knowledge of pop culture by the time I was in middle school, which I don’t think is something you see anymore. Can you imagine a current 11 year old being familiar with the concept of “Mork & Mindy”

@CoreyLeander @KelseyTuoc @Unlearned_Hand What does kelsey have to say to convince you that she hasn't been waiting for the opportunity to push every organized religion at the same time for her whole life

@KelseyTuoc @Unlearned_Hand Not all religions are equal either. To even begin casting Islam in a favorable light would be an anti intellectual disservice, for example.

@CoreyLeander @Unlearned_Hand I agree that teaching the Bible and *not* giving a similar treatment to other religions, traditions and worldviews is not an appropriate choice for a secular school; it is privileging one account (and one that happens to be untrue).

@CoreyLeander @Unlearned_Hand @KelseyTuoc You're willfully forgetting the point of education in general if "the information is out there somewhere, don't bother" is the argument you're reaching for

@Unlearned_Hand @KelseyTuoc You absolutely do not. The Internet exists. If you don’t understand a reference, type it into google. You guys have this super romantic notion that students would actually take anything substantive away from this indoctrination other than “Bible is authority figure”

we're going to do a world religions and traditions course this year after realizing that our (almost entirely atheist) student body didn't know what the Bible was or what the followers of any religions believed and this was impairing their history and reading comprehension.

@Manuel_do_rio @NathanpmYoung Sanity entails understanding who is/isn't on your side and what could attract or repel them It's not 2006 anymore, cops can look into memes and understand what they mean, they don't take your word for it when you call them death threats

I know you're all aggravated by Holly's recent comments, but let me play Devil's advocate here: she's one of the very few persons I know who engages in AI risk, has a high p(doom) and behaves how I'd expect any non crazy human to behave given those premises. I am permanently flabbergasted by people who allegedly have high p(dooms) and keep acting 'business as usual' and working on AI companies, and any of the usual arguments fail to persuade me that either they are a)insincere or b)suicidally crazy.

I think we could stop engaging with Holly Elmore for a bit. She behaves badly on here (aggressive then blocking). Why give her air time? She has 10k followers. Both AI safety folks and non-AI safety folks can just ignore her more than they do.

@TenreiroDaniel Using firearms to fight wars kind of defeats the purpose

I have never used pangram. Using a machine learning model to tell you what is/isn’t AI slop kind of defeats the purpose

@rob_mcrobberson Why haven't we seen their protests then, what do they know that the others don't

no profession is more terrified of being made absolutely and permanently redundant by AI than therapists lmao. ngl i really love this for them i am so here for it

@Rosts290188 @blacknredtext What I told you is what it is on paper and I intentionally made it sound stupid Ideas are cheap, execution is what counts

@the_pasemi @blacknredtext Every new guy who explains it to me ultimately makes me realise how more fucking retarded and stupid this show is which only sounds "Smart" on paper somehow

@oecolamp Sorry but this is a case of pretending to not understand Specifically you're pretending to not understand that AI safety has motivations beyond big companies getting eaten alive for exposing the public to certain ideas

One reason you can tell AI safety doesn't actually matter to anyone: they still refuse to let their models say true but politically unpopular things. You can't claim to be working on behalf of all humanity when you also indulge in the prejudices of a small minority of westerners.

@shvllwebvgvn It's a shame Dr. Peterson couldn't make it

@deerceres @robertskmiles @jachiam0 I mean, a supercomputer at the core of the sun that casts magic spells is ONE thing that could happen if anything is possible. But there are also lots of other things

@robertskmiles @jachiam0 Does ra? I don’t fully remember if when the twist happens it’s inside physics. If you haven’t finished it this may confuse you

If you want an enormous amount of alpha for navigating the next few years, go read Fine Structure and Ra by qntm. These two books are the roadmap.

@ZorroRideThrice @Elvish_Harper Depends on the style, some of them intentionally leave out a whole bunch of ethnic indicators and some don't In lucky star in particular, the purpose of hair color is mostly so you can tell the characters apart at a glance, they're often samefaced

@Elvish_Harper Fun Fact, the term, at least in Japanese, is 無国籍 (Mukokuseki - without nationality) EVERYONE looks at anime characters and sees EITHER a racial blank state, or elements of their own race.

There are just a lot of characters in anime (yes it is) who are supposed to be "Asian" (though I'd quibble that the races in Avatar are fully diegetic) who simply can't be played by Asian actors. They have to be cast as white because that's what they were drawn to look like.