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Metropolitan Evlogy: Patriarch Kirill has betrayed the Ukrainian Orthodox.
Patriarch Kirill of Moscow supports aggression against Ukraine because "he grovels before the authorities of the Russian Federation, and that's the only reason." Ukrainian Orthodox Metropolitan Evlogy (Hutchenko) of Sumy and Akhtyrka stated this in an interview with Archdeacon Andriy Palchuk.
"He's a politician, yes, he's not a clergyman, he's a politician, but regarding Ukraine, excuse me, he betrayed us, he renounced us. And you want us to remember this man as our father?" the UOC hierarch said.
According to him, instead of supporting Russian aggression, Patriarch Kirill should have prayed for peace, as Patriarch Tikhon (Bellavin) did during the Russian Civil War. "But, unfortunately, he chose our betrayal and renunciation, unfortunately, very unfortunately."
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@SifiReturned @peter_kelana @Unseen_Warfare1 @Retradworld people like you sifi are part of the problem. Even if the TO are in schism, it is your job to be kind and patient to help bring us back. Same thing applies to us if we are right. But you trolling and being bad faith is just going to continue resentment on both sides
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@SifiReturned @Unseen_Warfare1 I agree, he did denounce old Calendarists who held the graceless position, he was still in communion with GOC tho. Church history is complicated and whether you like it or not, ROCOR was in communion with old Calendarists and considered them part of the Church
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@Unseen_Warfare1 He denounced the “true orthodox” soon after meeting them, as we all do 😂😂😂
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@KalebAtlanta @TheNewCatacombs so you think that ROCOR was a schismatic body before 2007?
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@TheNewCatacombs Are you currently in communion with ROCOR-MP? Or with anyone who is? If not, then there is no need to repent. You are in schism and thus are schismatics.
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@Craig_Truglia @TheNewCatacombs There are many in GOC who believe the Jerusalem Patriarchate was True Orthodox untill 2007 or so. My parish was originally going to join the JP after the 2007 union but ended up in HSIR.
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@TheNewCatacombs I can be incorrect, so I don't want to be slandering him, but I know he has tried to "memoryhole" the fact that ROCOR blessed priests to concelebrate with WO, ROCOR & GOC's relationship with JP up until about 2000, etce.
We are not far enough removed yet for 20/20 hindsight.
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I think it’s time to come to terms with the fact True Orthodox Christians are true confessors of the faith as St. Seraphim Rose stated who many have found Orthodoxy in America through his work. The vast majority are converts and the modernist jurisdictions have taken advantage of these well meaning people by using his name to draw them into their jurisdictions while at the same time going against everything he stood for. If you’d like a completely honest view of this Saints work this channel has been dedicated to continuing his mission of helping Americans find True Orthodoxy.

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The EP jurisdictions (including the UOC in the US) is in full communion with the OCU.
The UOC-USA and the OCU concelebrate with Uniates.
And yet being in communion with both seems to be just fine for so many here.
This really isn't hard.
"One must not join in prayer with heretics or schismatics."

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@EphraimChrist14 @NewsNFTU @BrotherAugusti2 @OrthodoxGabriel @WSlopeAggie Ephraim out of curiosity have you ever talked to clergy in the GOC?
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@NewsNFTU @vas4dude @BrotherAugusti2 @OrthodoxGabriel @WSlopeAggie The issue is whether those who broke off in 1935 did so for heresy (they did not). Claims of “heresy of Ecumenism” were brought in decades later to justify the past schism. Heresy will lead to the condemnation of the heretic but not necessarily to those in communion with them.
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With the glorification of St. Seraphim Rose comes a whole new set of difficulties for those who insist on modern and anti-Orthodox perspectives like ecumenism, approval of Freemasonry or Zionism, New Calendarism, the promotion of various satanic ideologies by Greek “Orthodox” hierarchs and their hirelings, or the idea that walling off from communion with heretics somehow makes an Orthodox Christian bad or wrong.
For 2000 years God has glorified those brave and faithful men and women who went against the current of error — both outside of and within the Church — and much to their dismay, those would-be reformers who seek to conform our Faith to the world are still waiting for their very first Saint.
May God arise and may His enemies be scattered ☦️☦️☦️
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@Craig_Truglia That is a very interesting take, but do you think MP sees it that way?
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@EphraimChrist14 @BrotherAugusti2 @NewsNFTU @OrthodoxGabriel @WSlopeAggie agreed, thankfully I'm under an Orthodox Metropolitan
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@vas4dude @BrotherAugusti2 @NewsNFTU @OrthodoxGabriel @WSlopeAggie May God help you all! But, as it says in the Rudder, schism is worse than heresy.
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@EphraimChrist14 @BrotherAugusti2 @NewsNFTU @OrthodoxGabriel @WSlopeAggie well we will just have to agree to disagree. Those of us who resisted the ROCOR MP 2007 union are very grateful to have found a home with the GOC
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@vas4dude @BrotherAugusti2 @NewsNFTU @OrthodoxGabriel @WSlopeAggie I think ROCOR’s involvement with the OCs was well intentioned but misguided and has caused more harm than good. I understand ROCOR felt isolated and wanted to see the OCs as brothers and partners, but the OCs had a very different foundation and their path ultimately isn’t blessed
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@EphraimChrist14 @WSlopeAggie @BrotherAugusti2 @NewsNFTU @OrthodoxGabriel Thank you for the correction, I didn't realize he was HTM. The letter is from 1984
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@vas4dude @WSlopeAggie @BrotherAugusti2 @NewsNFTU @OrthodoxGabriel Do you know the year of the letter from Hilarion? Yes, Fr. Haralambos of HTM wrote the Anathema, but ROCOR’s interpretation of the Anathema differed from how HTM and the OCs wanted ROCOR to apply it, which is partly why HTM left ROCOR in 1986 (aside from the moral investigation).
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@EphraimChrist14 @WSlopeAggie @BrotherAugusti2 @NewsNFTU @OrthodoxGabriel here is one from 1984. Also I think you already know this but St Philaret of NY had a GOC monk write the 1983 anathema against ecumenism. This monk is still alive, he is at St Johns Monastery in Cobleskill


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@WSlopeAggie @vas4dude @BrotherAugusti2 @NewsNFTU @OrthodoxGabriel These are often misrepresented. Can you share images or links to the relevant documents?
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@BrotherAugusti2 if ROCOR glorifies him, (I highly doubt they will), that could be a huge step in TO and ROCOR reconciliation
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@EphraimChrist14 @BrotherAugusti2 @NewsNFTU @OrthodoxGabriel @WSlopeAggie I'm just trying to make the point that ROCOR still considered them Orthodox. It seems you consider old Calendarists outside of the church based of some of the posts I've seen from you. How do you reconcile the canonical releases given to clergy in ROCOR to go to GOC after 2007?
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@vas4dude @BrotherAugusti2 @NewsNFTU @OrthodoxGabriel @WSlopeAggie On Sep23/Oct6, 1976, ROCOR wrote to the OCs in Greece calling them to work to overcome their disunity, saying ROCOR “will no longer take any part in their affairs”. How ROCOR dealt with laypeople pastorally is another matter, but at that time those under Pavlos weren’t in the GOC
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@EphraimChrist14 @BrotherAugusti2 @NewsNFTU @OrthodoxGabriel @WSlopeAggie Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought ROCOR just stopped concelebrating with the GOC, GOC faithful were still communed by ROCOR. Pretty sure ROCOR also recognized GOC as the local Church of Greece during the 80s
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@BrotherAugusti2 @NewsNFTU @OrthodoxGabriel @WSlopeAggie I have read Subdeacon’s book and he ignores everything Fr. Seraphim said that doesn’t agree with the OC narrative. The fact is that ROCOR was briefly in communion with OCs in the 70s & with the official Church, but communion with the OCs fell apart just after his repose.
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