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@volpeLP

music_producer // #Bitcoin

Katılım Ekim 2021
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A key detail that got lost in this whole debate: Core devs don't believe JPEGs and shitcoins on Bitcoin to be spam. Notice how individuals like @callebtc, @L0RINC and even @adam3us never give a straight answer about what spam even is, always hiding their answers in rhetoric and semantics. The reason? They know it's impopular and would further taint the optics of what Core is trying to do with v30 and beyond.
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@matteopelleg If it fails, I'm still sure Bitcoin will reach $1m+, but i'll have profound doubts about if it'll get there as perfect money and through its original purpose.
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Matteo Pellegrini | Club Orange
if bip110 activated the suits are not gonna sell, they're not ideological enough if bip110 fails, a good percentage of plebs are gonna quit everybody wins with bip110
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Keysa@SimplestBTCBook·
@ProofOfMoney @GMONEYPEPE bitcoin absolutely needs *people* to defend it. People is what made bitcoin, runs Bitcoin, maintains Bitcoin and updates it. People influence whether bitcoin stays money or becomes arbitrary data storage
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drumr_@volpeLP·
@FreeSpeechBTC21 "Adam Back, of hashcash fame, uses the internet as if we're still in the 90's and people don't have the ability to do deep research for themselves to refute all his false claims."
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No Quarter 110 IQ
No Quarter 110 IQ@FreeSpeechBTC21·
Adam: *lies* Pleb: He's just straight lying. Adam: yea, I should MoDiFy that <insert more BS>
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drumr_@volpeLP·
@ProofOfMoney @CH2BF If BIP110 is implemented, Core will adopt its code and keep developing on top of it. Bitcoin will not become a one-developer monopoly because of it.
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drumr_@volpeLP·
@ProofOfMoney @MikeMt1000 DJs hiding their tags and Nintendo mentioned. As a 90s kid, i really appreciate the analogies 🤣🤘
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₿acon Hodl
₿acon Hodl@BaconPDX·
@Puncher522 @YouTube OpReturn was always an individual, node level policy option. The node runner can leave it at default or change it via the data-carrier variable. OpReturn is essential for advanced functionality used with Tap-leaves & Merkle trees by @AnchorWatch & others. Purely monetary use.
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@_Adrian @adam3us @saylor There is a fundamental difference between using AWS to store and relay data vs using other people's nodes to store and relay data.
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Adrian Morris
Adrian Morris@_Adrian·
One of the ways I think of Bitcoin | BIP-110 boils down to this: We get spam in our email inboxes every day. I think most would like to avoid it. But we make the decision on how to mark | filter that spam into trash. This isn't done by a unilateral rule change that decides what to filter, without our input. One path represents individual choice; the other represents implementing censorship via code. As @adam3us noted, the Internet (and Bitcoin) are supposed to be ungovernable systems. We can’t (effectively) stop spam via intrusive protocol changes, but that’s why mechanisms like fees exist.
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drumr_@volpeLP·
@giacomozucco @csuwildcat I appreciate you. (You'll now have to deal with Back and his fanboys for a day or two for slightly breaking the Core dogma 🤣 Good luck)
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Giacomo Loathsome Bitcoin Destroyer Zucco
For anyone interested about the truth: Adam Back is absolutely, overtly and veritably lying about me *ever* supporting BIP110, or even being "a fence sitter" about it. I have always strongly, clearly and unequivocally opposed any similar fork proposal since the very earliest suggestions. I have always been, and remain, consistently opposed to: - using consensus rules to tackle specific types of onchain spam, - defensively addressing any kind of "illegal data" moral panic in any possible way (mempool policies included), - enforcing any controversial consensus change (including the ones I agree with, unlike this one) without clear full-ecosystem agreement. It's a bit unfortunate that a very influential voice in the industry is lying about me, since I have a smaller reach to debunk him. Maybe some of you can help me by spreading the correction. Thanks.
Adam Back@adam3us

@giacomozucco @ocean_mining the overlap of that company with the ring-leaders is near 100%, so i'm poking at that. obviously. i assume you are the token "vocal anti 110 insiders" they misleadingly claim in their later post. (and you've been a bit of a fence sitter on and off, though currently against, net)

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drumr_@volpeLP·
@giacomozucco @csuwildcat I remember you being against 110 since day 1. People are conflating your criticisms of Core v30 and supporting of alternative implementations with being a BIP110 shill. This shows how lazy and tribalistic people actually are about this topic.
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Giacomo Loathsome Bitcoin Destroyer Zucco
Yes, kinda. I was open-minded about: - keeping the mempool filter attempt going in Core (even if I've been sold on its long-term futility since the full-RBF debate, but I still don't think there was any need, let alone urgency, for removing them amidst controversy), - sponsoring/promoting/helping alternative node implementations (both Core codebase forks and from-scratch) to address governance, centralization and resilience issues, - championing a consensus change to mitigate spam in general (block size decrease, witness discount replaced with CISA, covenants to improve off-chain demand aggregation), to be enforced only WITH consensus, - being fair about BIP110 proponents and their motives, often misrepresented (not hard to imagine why, since even an opponent like me is going trough that).
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Neal Flesher #BIP 110@NealFlesher·
@ErinEMalone Was giving u the benefit of the doubt. So is it a comprehension problem? ur the one who said “I run Bitcoin Core because I’m not an idiot.”
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Erin Malone
Erin Malone@ErinEMalone·
I wasn’t going to waste the energy on this ridiculous debate, but enough people have asked… I’ll say it as diplomatically as I can: I run Bitcoin Core because I’m not an idiot. Now back to building.
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Bernardo Braga@eubernardobraga·
Procuro dois bitcoiners para um debate: um a favor e outro contra o BIP-110. A proposta é explicar a treta para quem não é técnico e ainda não conseguiu entender o que está em jogo. Quero abordar: • Core vs. Knots • O modelo de funding dos desenvolvedores do Core • As denúncias do Hodlnaut sobre wokismo no Core • As vulnerabilidades do Knots • Os riscos do BIP-110 para o Bitcoin • Os problemas do Core v30 • E tudo mais que for necessário para entender os dois lados Regra inegociável: ninguém poderá encerrar um argumento com “você não entende porque não estudou” ou “você não é técnico o suficiente”. O desafio é justamente tornar o assunto compreensível para um leigo inteligente. Até hoje não encontrei um único conteúdo que explicasse essa discussão de forma realmente mastigada: o motivo da briga, os argumentos de cada lado e as possíveis consequências para o Bitcoin. Até o Adam Back ontem tweetou "pra entender, assista centenas de horas de conteúdo dos canais x, y, z..." O problema é que ninguém tem tempo pra assistir centenas de horas de conteúdo. Então eu quero facilitar ao máximo na BetterMoney para que o público bitcoiner brasileiro que está boiando possa entender melhor o assunto. Se você consegue representar um dos lados com firmeza, honestidade e clareza, responda aqui ou me mande uma DM. Indicações são bem-vindas!
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drumr_@volpeLP·
@ErinEMalone You're not an idiot, just a busy person who chose to outsource your thinking about a nuanced subject to "the experts". And that's ok.
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drumr_@volpeLP·
@LarsonFarms @dmweisberger @1914ad Precisely, reverting the poor decisions made in the last 5 years as i mentioned. They're welcome to reverse course, realign themselves with the needs of the network, and keep developing.
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Jonathan Galt@LarsonFarms·
@volpeLP @dmweisberger @1914ad Except for the fact that knots is literally a fork of core devs work. Any work that core does will be merged into knots. For the most part. It isn't its own node implementation, rather a fork with some tweaks.
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drumr_@volpeLP·
My only observation is that the meaning of the message is vastly different between "sufficiently decentralized" and "not mattering". The last mechanism left in a case of big mining collusion or government crackdown are nodes. We want more full nodes with a decent geolocation spread, regardless of hashrate. Nodes not mattering, a rhetoric that grew considerably in the last 18 months is very off-putting and high time preference to me.
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Portland.HODL@PortlandHODL·
@btcquokka @volpeLP Policy doesn't matter unless you have hashrate. Nodes enforcing rules you don't consent to get forked off the network. Visa versa. A torrent is as good as it's hash, (consensus rules) if you change the rules it's a new torrent.
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Lar@LarInvests·
@boomer_btc Everyone should have the choice to throw their money away mining a useless chain
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@holy_duck @matteopelleg If your down -99.9% shitcoins ever makes a 100x and you're back to your entry price, do you promise selling it for some real BTC, though?
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Matteo Pellegrini | Club Orange
the bip110 debate has exposed a basic confusion about censorship censorship is preventing someone who follows the network’s rules from using the protocol changing the rules of the protocol (bip110) is not censorship was segwit censorship? taproot? the 2010 inflation bug fix? rule changes are explicit, universal, and uniformly enforced censorship is targeted & discretionary whether you support bip110 or oppose it, you should at least know what censorship means
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