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@Craig_Truglia @poperespecter1 Hey Craig, I know this is an old post but I'm currently looking into this topic and wa wondering if u have a source for this or anything similar I can look at

@poperespecter1 No, you're wrong. It doesn't say those things are good (and neither does any EO synod). It says despite those things people can become communing members again. Amoris Laetitia does so on the basis of varying levels of personal moral culpability. EO on the basis of Economia.

On one hand, the "clown mass" apologetics cuts both ways. On the other, in the "race" down the garbage can the RCC always wins because they have shifted significantly more liberal all the while having to ridiculously maintain infallibility. Just admit it: "We screwed up."

@SwampmanAnthony @qolt32 @JeromeChukwuwem Currently looking into this topic, do you have a source that speaks of only one marriage being blessed or anything related to that?

@qolt32 @JeromeChukwuwem Only one marriage is blessed. For any extrema, the discretion of the priest is applied to issue a divorce. A penitential union may be allowed with the permission of the bishop, and there is no second/third crowning. And there may be excommunication for a time.

This is not accurate to the church’s view on marriage.

@TheUmmahRoom @Ahraz__ Couldn't find the original thread or text being discussed so this is mere speculation. It could be that he has mentioned both views previously and is contrasting them against each other, hence the use of "the" instead of "a" (used if the argument hadn't been mentioned previously)

@xShortBreadx @Ahraz__ Why are Christians changing it to “a stronger claim” when it clearly states “the stronger claim”?

This dude is literally quoting it then lying about the quote as if it’s not right in front of our face 😭😭 I’ve never met such a blatant troll

@AsherJacob23060 @patristicpill I come from a low church background but from what little I've learned the main differences are: Synergistic Vs Monogistic, Has role in justification Vs no role in justification and that "Progression" in Theosis affects experience of afterlife while sanctification does not

@patristicpill Basically "You dont accept our authority, so it's totally different, bro" Why is it that when I talk to orthodox they are always such preening, snot nosed twats?

No, sanctification is not “basically theosis with less Greek.” Theosis is participation in the divine life by grace: purification, illumination, union with God through Christ, His Church, sacraments, prayer, fasting, ascetic struggle Completely different universes Evangelicalism is Bible study and moral improvement lectures

@AqidaDefence @MMetaphysician @JayDyer @Acts17David The Filioque: History of a Doctrinal Controversy Book by A. Edward Siecienski

@MMetaphysician @JayDyer @Acts17David 200 pages is light work though. It’s not even light work, more like a warm up. IIRC, it was a ibn Taymiyya book he read and still ended up misquoting. Also, in other news, can I have title and author of the Filioque book you have? جزاك اللهُ خير

I agree with @JayDyer. Most people simply don't ready anymore. David Wood @Acts17David recently admitted that if a book is more than like 200 pages he wouldn't read it. Jay actually asked me for book recommendations prior to our debate and delayed the debate so that he could read a particular book before our debate. Here are some of the books I read in preparation for my debate with Jay. Admittedly, I haven't read every single page of these books. However, I've read many of them cover to cover and key parts in others that were related to our debate.

@ruckusofantioch @USATrackAIPAC Is he infallible in so far as his expositions of Paul? That is how I have understood the tradition of St Paul speaking in The Chrysostom's ear

@USATrackAIPAC Ik ur just an inquirer but where did u get the idea that Chrysostom was infallible? ATP ur doing DIY on ur own religion, and ur embarassing urself and the orthodox Christians on this website. Plz delete ur account, and don’t come back till u have been received 🙏🏾😭

@ChristandGuitar This is a good explanation of the question raised and the method by which St Irenaeus reached his conclusion (which he concluded partly using scripture btw) orthodoxchristiantheology.com/2022/05/27/ire…

Irenaeus, disciple of Polycarp, argued that Jesus ministered into His 40s–50s. Today’s consensus (based on the Gospels) is that He lived to ~30-33, so Irenaeus is widely seen as mistaken here. Still, Rome venerates him as a saint & Doctor of the Church. Why then does the RCC anathematize Protestants for insisting on clear Scriptural warrant for their dogmas, like the Assumption of Mary? If a church father can be wrong on clear Scripture, yet receive sainthood, how can Protestants be condemned for refusing to believe non-scriptural doctrines?

@AEnjoyer447201 I may be misunderstanding what your are trying to convey but Jerome specifically speaks about 1 Chronicles 29:20 in the clip band how Proskyneo is given to the king and to God

@BamaExpat @MateyYanakiev @namae282 My bad, can see how it comes across unclear. I mean beget as in generate another/multiply, that is "before the fall we would have multiplied/increased in number similar to the way angels do"

@xShortBreadx @MateyYanakiev @namae282 What does he think angelic begetting is?

@Christopherofum I mean from the limited reading I have done on the Fathers, there does seem to be imperfection that came after the fall, hence the requirement of a virgin birth, why there is no marriage in heaven and the "exalted" position virginity is given over marriage

@xShortBreadx Still seems like very dubious speculation that the text simply does not support. Starting with the conclusion "sex bad" and working backward from there.

I don't see how this possibly stands up to the text of Genesis, wherein we have "male and female created He them," and "they twain shall be one flesh" clearly before the Fall.

@biemelneus @Christopherofum My bad, can see how it comes across like that. I mean reproduce as a same term as multiply or increase, that is "before the fall we would have multiplied/increased in number similar to the way angels do"

@asinus_tristis @Christopherofum My bad, can see how it comes across like that. I mean reproduce as a same term as multiply or increase, that is "before the fall we would have multiplied/increased in number similar to the way angels do"

@xShortBreadx @Christopherofum But... but... angels don't reproduce

@Foid_Ear_Biter Btw, what the quote says and what the person commented is not the same. St Gregory is just saying that man would have reproduced similar to the angels but, God in His foreknowledge of the Fall, created them male and female instead

This is what people mean btw when they say augustine was actually quite moderate in comparison to other church father's on these topics. Especially the greek one's with the exception of Chrysostom.

@MateyYanakiev @namae282 Upon re-reading the passage from St Gregory I realise that he is actually taking a moderate view, that the original intent of Man by God was for them to beget in a similar many as the angels. But, having forseen Mans eventual fall, created Adam and Eve with the means we now use

@xShortBreadx @namae282 It says the woman was taken out of man, meaning he was already man. And in Hebrew, like in English, the word for woman (ishah) is related to the word for man (ish), so womankind’s derivative nature from mankind is being taught.

@MateyYanakiev @namae282 I don't think St. Gregory explicitly contradict either passage as both reading could easily be understood as using post-fall language, especially since the distinction from God between the two was that of Eves role as Helper to Adam (initial thoughts ATM happy to hear a critique)

@namae282 St. Gregory of Nyssa was far more a philosopher than an exegete of the Scriptures, and here, he incontrovertibly contradicts Moses (Gen 2:23) and Paul (1 Cor 11:7–9), who both place sex differentiation before the Fall.

@ruckusofantioch @inconnu0connu Asking for clarification, I understand that scripture requires divine assent, would this still apply for the contended books?

@inconnu0connu 1. Yes, the 6/7 that are historically contended have inspiration and are considered sacred scripture 2. To my knowledge III maccabees isn’t considered inspired but canonical for some ecclesial use. 3. I would agree.

Refuting this Low-Tier canon conundrum argument ⬇️ Canon can be understood in two senses: 1. What’s normatively read for ecclesiastical purposes(which is typically how the fathers use canon, and how it was predominantly used in the East) 2. What’s divinely inspired for the use of deriving doctrine. Ubi actually addressed this in his debate. Idk y we r using an Ubi clip for this 💀. The two-tier view of the canon held by Jerome is a minority view that is held by the Russian Synod in the 18th-19th century and of St. Philaret of Moscow. Just bc the canon may have 2 tiers doesn’t preclude the low tier (deuterocanonical) from being inspired. The actual Canon Conundrum argument has to do with notions of the type of assent you give to the mediator of divine revelation in virtue of their divine message. For Protestants they give the divine assent of faith only to articles of faith which for them is found exclusively in the scriptures. The canon list isn’t found in the scriptures so they by necessity can’t give the divine assent of faith to the list. This means that either the canon list is missing divine revelation or that there are books in the current list that aren’t divinely revelation, but are treated as such. The thing is that divine revelation isn’t defective in what it seeks to do, and bc it’s sent by God, predicating defects to God’s message, would be nearly as horrific as predicating defect to God himself. Even if it was assumed that what is given the natural virtue of obedience did not err, there’s no way to know that without an external body making that determination IE the church, which it did, and this is admitted by some Protestant authors like Leblanc (?) who even’s acknowledge that the testimony of the church historical is given the divine assent of faith. St. Philaret who held to the two-tiered canon view still had 1672 translated, btw

@energeiologian @ScriptoriumP Genuinely interested, does that mean you can pray to Siddhartha Gautama? And same with Plato?

@ScriptoriumP I am an Orthodox Christian, I believe Saint Ioasaph was Siddhartha Gautama, and I don't think that disproves the infallibility of the Church, but rather confirms it.

Is Saint Ioasaph the Buddha in disguise? A 🧵

@zulu_brah I mean, shouldn't we try to emulate the monks/saints as ideals? In this case, try to limit interaction with the others sex as much as possible with in reason? (Obviously if you live in the world that will be nearly impossible in most workplaces)