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Episode 453: Cam Hanes | The Growth of Ultra Cameron Hanes is an American bowhunter, endurance athlete, author and outdoorsman best known for his relentless pursuit of backcountry bowhunting in the remote wildernesses. His success in a variety of communities has resulted in bringing large groups of people into the sport of ultramarathon. For this episode, we talk about what draws him to ultramarathon, different approaches and personalities within the sport, and what makes the sport so interesting. Timestamps/Topics: 0:00:00 Podcast Intro & Announcements 0:01:03 Sponsor Shoutouts & Discounts 0:01:48 Welcoming the Guest & Community Impact 0:03:04 The Growth of Ultra Running & Bow Hunting 0:05:55 Fitness for Hunting and Ultra Endurance 0:07:06 Gear Evolution & Shoe Selection 0:09:57 Finding the Right Gear & Race Prep 0:13:15 Comfort vs. Performance in Ultra Shoes 0:15:15 Foot Injuries & Shoe Solutions 0:17:15 Recovery After Tough Races 0:19:31 The Mental Side of Endurance & Backcountry 0:21:56 Running with Crew vs. Going Solo 0:24:29 Ultra Crewing, Fairness & Race Support 0:27:20 Optimizing Performance vs. Old School Ultra 0:33:18 Comparing Modern & Classic Ultra Experiences 0:36:53 Aid Station Innovations & Race Resource Access 0:40:43 Tech in Ultras: Super Shoes & Breaking Records 0:44:55 Upcoming Races & Training Tweaks 0:46:04 Focusing on Gear, Nutrition, and Training 0:48:02 High Carb vs. Low Carb for Ultra Running 0:53:13 Fueling, Gut Training & Performance Strategies 0:56:55 Cycling Science & Endurance Fuel Consistency 01:02:05 Top Performances, Nutrition Trends, & Western States 01:08:21 UTMB, Leadville, and Elite Race Storylines 01:11:00 Courtney, Katie & Women's Ultra Rivalries 01:19:31 Media, Influencers, and Growing the Sport 01:24:07 Personal Growth, Mental Strength & Elite Athletes 01:29:40 Rising Stars and Exciting Athletes to Watch 01:33:31 Sponsorships, Contracts & The Business Side 01:39:31 Maximizing Value & Athlete/Brand Relationships 01:42:01 Fitness, Influencers, & Competing in Sport 01:44:14 Sponsor Spotlights

@IKE_Packers Watch the second half loss to the Bears in the playoffs.

1-year $4M for Rasheed Walker🤯💨💥 Why on earth did the Packers not bring back their starting Left Tackle

@cmonjonser That would be awesome!

@zbitter Need a ran to japan / Clayton crossover ep

A year ago, Clayon signing with Brooks would have been a surprise to me. It still wasn't my first, or even second guess, but I can see why. The Hyperion Elite and Hyperion Max are great shoes, imo and will likely continue to improve over his contract.

@dpdraz @paulsaladinomd In the meantime, if interested, consider checking out the naturalistic fallacy. It is what Paul typically leverages and hopes people like yourself will not dig beyond it. You are doing a fine job of proving him correct on that business strategy.

@dpdraz @paulsaladinomd Let me know when ready to address it. Take care.

I have not tried either yet, but if at a store, I'd probably go with the David bar if these were my two choices.

@dpdraz @paulsaladinomd Then this should be an easy dunk for you. Let's here it. x.com/zbitter/status…

@zbitter @paulsaladinomd are you 5 years old you don’t know what artificial means? you are not serious

I was betting on Nike or Puma with maybe Adidas. Brooks makes sense to me the more I think about it though. Clayton seems to be into content creation and sharing his journey. Brooks is a good set up for someone who is interested in things outside of pure performance based contracts. IMO, they now have a shoe that can competes, which may have got them through the door to be considered. This is all just speculation on my part though.

@zbitter This surprised me. Very few of the top marathon athletes are wearing Brooks these days.

@dpdraz @paulsaladinomd I thought you’d at least try to defend your initial reply. I guess thats my fault for assuming a faceless anon account has formed a position in the first place.

@zbitter @paulsaladinomd x.com/dpdraz/status/…

@andrewict @J_Turnbow I doubt he is signing what I imagine to be a multi year deal based on what is currently available.

@zbitter @J_Turnbow Would be surprising considering the general perception of their race day shoes is they are not top tier for roads.

Predictions for Clayton’s next deal? 👀

@dpdraz @paulsaladinomd x.com/zbitter/status…

@zbitter @paulsaladinomd oh now you wanna have a serious conversation rather than be snarky 🤣 I said one bar is worse for you which clearly the David one is worse for you… I will stand by that. what a great topic for your next podcast lol

In the context of the post, what is the problem you see the goes so far as being worse than retarded? Are you afraid of the ingredients in that product or simply don’t know it has a better protein profile? I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn’t fall for the naturalistic fallacy.

@zbitter Ouch. I mean there’s retarded, and then there’s this 👆

@dpdraz @paulsaladinomd What’s your argument for artificial, whatever that means, being inherently worse in the context of the above post? Context being a one off purchase between those two products?

@zbitter @paulsaladinomd I regularly eat artificial crap but you’re not willing to admit one is better than the other in terms of ingredients lol

@dpdraz @paulsaladinomd aRtIFiCiaL imagine being so paranoid 🤣

@zbitter @paulsaladinomd imagine buying artificial crap 🤣🤣

@dpdraz @paulsaladinomd No kidding. Imagine buying Lineage 🤣

@paulsaladinomd @zbitter you gotta be such a fucking loser to willingly and knowingly choose the bar that is worse for you

@JasonFitz1 🤣

@zbitter “Big league digester” 😂🫡

I won't need them. I have a highly trained digestive system. It will make quick easy work of those ingredients. Paul seems to be on the JV squad of gut fitness. I am a full blown big league digester. Probably will end up in the digesting hall of fame one day.

@GlynnB2302 @JustRayOD Lol!

@zbitter @JustRayOD Cereal liar 😃

I could grant that Paul means well. It isn't impossible that is true, and likely that people find success with his approach. At the same time I can believe that his approach is a net negative if his advocacy requires enough viable alternatives to be thought of as bad. It suffers the same way much of modern day online advocacy suffers. It creates a "them vs us" ideology where one doesn't need to be. It makes it much more difficult to simply accept an approach didn't work for an individual, and move onto one of the other viable options. It is emotional leverage that hurts the broader stated goal of better health for the highest number of people. It does this by introducing unnecessary conflict rather than letting the market decide based on successful outcomes. Paul isn't unique here. He is one of many doing this.

@zbitter @Camp4 @paulsaladinomd Fair enough. He definitely can do some clearly rage bait or instagram boosting posts but I do think he authentically does care and is trying to provide real answers for people about health.

@ORION_coaching @SteAssent I would have preferred the MJ of digestion tbh

@SteAssent @zbitter So, there’s a lot of flopping and bitching going on then.

Oh, no I’d pick it either way under the context of the original post. If I’m buying one of those two bars, it’s going to be because I am looking for protein, which I believe would be better from David. I generally think the claims around quality are overblown marketing gimmicks as well when a choice like this is a small input within an otherwise well formulated diet that meets the users lifestyle goals.

@zbitter @discolime_9 Okay so you are opposed to his methods? I can understand that, he's a little gimmicky, just like all the others. Is that the only reason you'd choose the David bar? Not the ingredients or quality? Is this like a tribal war going on with the "health and fitness bros"?