@cowboys20041 @kbo_coyote @ycombinator96 @marcthiessen If a democrat made this exact same deal you would call it for what it is, a dogs hit terrible deal.
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Correct. Trump buried Iran’s nuclear material so deep that, senior officials tell me, Iran has indicated the United States will have to dig it up because it can’t reach it to hand over. He also took out over 85 percent of Iran’s defense industrial base; sank its navy; grounded its air force; damaged its centrifuges; and decimated its ballistic missile capabilities, conventional military forces and infrastructure of repression. He not only eliminated Iran’s supreme leader, he also took out dozens of other senior Iranian officials. That is in addition to Qasem Soleimani, Iran’s terrorist mastermind, whom Trump killed in his first term. Today, thanks to Trump, Iran’s top leadership has been annihilated, the regime can no longer project power in the Middle East and it possesses only a “nuisance” capability, according to Adm. Brad Cooper, head of U.S. Central Command. No president in 47 years has done more damage to the Iranian regime than Trump has.
More here: wapo.st/3SiXQzq
Rapid Response 47@RapidResponse47
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@johnnynaj @kbo_coyote @ycombinator96 @marcthiessen They were on the brink of financial ruin, now they are getting $24b in unfrozen funds, control of the straight in 60 days where they will implement tolls, oil sanctions were lifted and a $300b reconstruction fund.
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@kbo_coyote @ycombinator96 @marcthiessen Dude, you are either incredibly naive or just plain stupid. Iran is on the brink of financial ruin. And yes, we could keep bombing, if we had to. Not ideal because innocent will die.
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@najam_ali Trumo could have said no, just like Biden, Obama, Bush, and Clinton all said no to Israel. I do agree the relationship with Israel will change.
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Vance’s comments tell you everything.
The Trump administration appears deeply unhappy at being dragged into a costly confrontation with Iran that delivered little for the United States.
The alliance with Israel will survive.
The blank cheque may not.
Netanyahu may have just discovered that even America’s patience has limits.
Pravin Sawhney@PravinSawhney
US war is over. Don't agree with analysts who say that Trump is buying for time to restart the war. Problem is Israel - the big question is whether the Zionist can be kept in check by Trump & Vance!
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Iran didn’t win a deal. They signed their own death warrant and called it a victory.
On paper, the MoU gave them everything they could have dreamed of ... a $300 billion reconstruction slush fund, sanctions relief, and American forces supposedly pulling back from the region.
In reality, Trump gave them a performance-based contract that demands they stop being the Islamic Republic to collect a single cent. No nuclear program. No terror proxies. No IRGC spreading revolution.
That’s forcing a regime to commit ideological suicide and then dangling money in front of them while they bleed out.
They can wave the brochure around and scream about their big win all they want. The fine print is crystal clear: they only get paid if they betray the very reason they exist. And if they refuse ... which they almost certainly will ... Trump already put it on record. More bombs. For weeks. For years. However long it takes.
This wasn’t weakness dressed up as diplomacy. It was a trap with better marketing. Obama handed them $150 billion with no strings attached. Trump handed them a loaded gun, pointed it at their own head, and told them the safety’s off until they stop acting like Iran. They got the dream sheet. He kept the trigger. And the only way they cash out is by destroying everything that makes them who they are.
Good luck collecting.
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@bonchieredstate How can they be a failed state when they were just handed everything they ever wanted without giving anything up?
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Putting aside the Israeli aspect of this (I’m sure its citizens think is totally unfounded), Iran is currently run by a militant Islamic doomsday cult that just slaughtered tens of thousands of protesters while its economy was crumbling.
How is it not already a failed state?
Clash Report@clashreport
JD Vance on Iran and Israel: Do I think there are people within Israeli society who would like to turn Iran into Libya, basically a failed state with 90 million people? Probably. But I don't know that Bibi wants that. I've actually never had that conversation with him. It would be an interesting conversation to have. I'll tell you right now: is Iran turning into a Persian Libya good for the United States of America? Absolutely not. Source: The Diary Of A CEO
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@_whatisaname_ @JaredRyanSears @RandPaul If a democrat had made the same choices you wouldn't be saying the same thing. Spare everyone your hypocrisy and fag love for Trump
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@JaredRyanSears @RandPaul You can't undo the past. Nobody is perfect, nobody will make all the perfect choices.
You can hope that they would have. But if not, all you can ask for is that they try to do the right thing now and going forward.
Because many politicians won't.
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At what point does Trump realize Vance destroyed his presidency?
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@greg_price11 If we destroyed their capacity to build nukes why does the MOU even discuss Irans nuclear program? If you're saying Trump gave Iran everything in the MOU just for 60 days of the straight being open then the capitulation is even worse and embarrassing.
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The bottom line is we’ve successfully killed Iran’s top leaders, destroyed their capacity to build nukes, and brought all the Gulf countries together on a plan for the future.
Our two options now are either to re-open the Strait of Hormuz by force, which would involve boots on the ground, the loss of more American lives, and more uncertainty... or to make a deal.
Clearly option b is preferable at this moment in time to option a.
And thankfully, the adults, President Trump and VP Vance, are the ones in the room actually making the decisions and not the war hungry keyboard warriors on the internet!
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@lucasdrayton @bonchieredstate Yea idk how people coming to any conclusion that Trump isnt their prefered president.
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@bonchieredstate How would they possibly prefer to have a different counterparty to ongoing negotiations than the one they have? They have the most compliant counterparty imaginable right now and are profiting handsomely. Why change the status quo? Why not ride the gravy train?
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The regime, even with this crap MOU, still hates Trump and Republicans. They still see Democrats are preferable.
The more we let them wield the Strait as leverage, as they did this morning, the more you can be certain they’ll drop an October surprise to screw over Trump.
Bonchie@bonchieredstate
Remember when I told you not to go out on those limbs defending the MOU back on Monday? And then the leaks turned out to be true? Another warning: Avoid limbs that assume Iran will just behave until November now because the MOU exists. It’s a sucker’s bet.
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@bonchieredstate Pretty sure the regime loves Trump more than anyone. They achieved control of the straight, unfreezing of assets, full sanctions relief, a $300b reconstruction fund vs JOPCA. It cost them some expensive assets but they know Trump will cave whenever oil goes up.
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@neoavatara At most Trump would order some performative strikes if Iran closes the straight or continues enrichment.
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Zero chance.
Really.
Look, every incentive Trump has provided gives Iran every reason TO BREAK THE MOU.
They don't think Trump is going to do much more than he already has. So why not push the envelope?
Bonchie@bonchieredstate
Remember when I told you not to go out on those limbs defending the MOU back on Monday? And then the leaks turned out to be true? Another warning: Avoid limbs that assume Iran will just behave until November now because the MOU exists. It’s a sucker’s bet.
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@PearlRiverSwamp @bonchieredstate Just exposes how weak he is. Republicans control Congress and the Whitehouse yet can't pass any legislation. So he goes abroad, starts a war and capitlates.
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@bonchieredstate The inability or the unwillingness to tackle domestic issues is the entire reason the war happened. Trump got frustrated at home and went abroad searching for a win. Problem is, no one really cares about foreign policy.
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This MOU is not going to win the midterms.
People realize Republicans were already in the toilet over the economy in February, right?
Heck oil is already back up a few dollars from yesterday.
The midterm issues weren’t started in Iran and won’t be solved there.
Marc Zell - מארק צל@GOPIsrael
WHY PRESIDENT TRUMP NEGOTIATED THE MOU. I have been flooded with questions from the media and supporters including my own children about this question here is my understanding in a nutshell: 1. President Trump has not flipped or abandoned Israel. His support for the Jewish State and the Jewish People is incontestable. I have published a list of what he has done in his first term and thus far in this term. 2. President Trump has decided that winning the November midterms and preventing the Dems from taking control of Congress is of paramount importance given the certainty that if this were to happen the opposition will seek to impeach him and derail his Administration’s foreign and domestic policies for the balance of his second term. That the Democratic Party has lost its collective mind is also incontestable. 3. Because American voters vote their pocketbooks and not security and foreign policy issues and are tired of wars, in order to have a chance to win the Midterms, President Trump needs to put the Iran War on pause for the time being, reduce inflation, lower energy and food prices, keep the stock markets booming, stabilize world markets etc. This is how he sees American interests at this time and I agree. 4. The MOU is only an agreement to negotiate and to maintain a ceasefire for the time being . President Trump has all the cards and can determine how much he is willing to ease the US stranglehold on Iran and its proxies. 5. President Trump excluded Israel from the MOU which either by design or default gives Israel a free hand to protect its vital national security interests in Lebanon, Syria and even Iran. 6. I don’t like the content of the MOU or the tone of certain statements from the WH defending it, but that’s politics in an election year. The bottom line is the relationship between Israel and the U.S. is strong and inviolable. Israel will protect its interests and so will the U.S. protect the American public, including U.S. 750,000 U.S. citizens in Israel. This is the only explanation that makes sense. I have faith in President Trump, Prime Minister Netanyahu and Almighty God. Have a restful Shabbat and a great weekend.
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@Maxcutty13 @bonchieredstate If Americans want peace the why did Trump attack Iran?
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@bonchieredstate The stock market is rocketing bud.. You are severely disconnected here. Americans want peace, period. There's only one small group of people unhappy about this, and you know which one that is.
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@Pro__Trading You are starting with a false premise. The American people never told the President to go to war with Iran in the first place. Let alone starting a war without any medium or long term solutions to ending it favorably.
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The American people told President Trump they didn't have the stomach to go through what was necessary to completely eliminate the Iranian threat forever.
As soon as gas went up $0.50, everyone freaked out and started calling this a "stupid war" that "we shouldn't be in." And the polls reflected that.
YOU told Trump you didn't have the stomach to do what's necessary, so he cut the best deal he could and he got out.
Trump has reflected the will of the American people throughout this whole process.
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@TheMindScourge By getting out and accepting Irans terms, Trump skipped straight to the path of losing the war and capitulating. Which ends any chance at the winning path.
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I don’t like Trump, but he avoided being trapped by the sunk cost fallacy
Most presidents wouldn’t have done this; they’d have doubled down
Of course, no other president would have been dumb enough to get persuaded by Netanyahu into launching an entirely unnecessary war of choice without even a semblance of a long term plan or clear cut goals either - as was said of the Spanish Armada, the US initiated hostilities “in confident hope of a miracle” - so the trade off is real and meaningful here
Shashank Joshi@shashj
Tom Friedman: "it reads like a real-estate bankruptcy filing — an act of financial capitulation. It is a measure of how much Iran had Trump over a barrel, and how thoroughly it cleaned his clock..." nytimes.com/2026/06/19/opi…
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@KurtSchlichter If they dont consider making a deal that lifts all sanctions, unfreezes and returns all assets, hands over control of the straight and creates a $300b fund, as "a humiliation", then they have no shame to begin with.
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I wish we had finished them. We’re going to need to do it someday – this was kicking the can down the road.
That said, it appears to me that Donald Trump accurately read that the American people are not willing to do what it takes to finish them. Instead, they think we’ve beaten them up enough, and now it’s time to move on to other things. They don’t consider that a humiliation. They consider that common sense.
Again, not what I would’ve done. But I don’t think most Americans view this the way the hawks or I do.
Noah Rothman@NoahCRothman
Maybe voters won’t care much about the Iran war by 2028, but the Islamic Republic will not keep quiet over the next two years. There is almost certain to be a long tail on this national humiliation. Whoever Trump’s Republican successor is, he’ll be lugging the baggage of Trump’s surrender with him into the next presidential election cycle. nationalreview.com/corner/trump-t…
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@sentdefender Delusional, only the most extremely mentally retarded could think this is remotely true.
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During an exclusive interview Thursday with The Axios Show, President Trump told Marc Caputo that he’d negotiated a deal to keep the Iran War from turning into a global economic depression, adding that yesterday’s Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) amounted to an “unconditional surrender” by the Islamic Republic of Iran.
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@sentdefender So the same deal as JOPCA without giving up control of the straight, cost of the war, American casualties, unfreezing Irans assets and creating a $300b fund for Iran.
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According to the Associated Press, citing people familiar with the matter, White House Special Envoy to the Middle East Steve Witkoff told congressional leaders that Iran is set to host the UN’s International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in country to inspect its nuclear facilities. As reports also indicate that Iranian decision-makers are set to meet IAEA Director-General Rafael Grossi in Geneva, Switzerland, per the Associated Press report, the Iranian invitation to the IAEA would also allow U.S. nuclear inspectors to join the IAEA team in Iran.
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Wait a second.
Point 5 of the MOU says:
“Upon the signing of this MOU, the Islamic Republic of Iran will make arrangements using its best efforts for the safe passage of commercial vessels with no charge, for 60 days only . . .”
You mean they couldn't even commit to get the Iranians to not charge tolls post negotiations?
So it's not even going back to a prewar status?
The Iranian's could have permanent leverage and a new massive revenue stream.
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@najam_ali Maybe the Gulf countries and Isreal should shut the straight down and they could get a deal as nice as Iran.
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The Real Loser of the Iran War
If anyone overplayed his hand in the U.S.-Iran conflict, it was not Washington. It was Israel.
The United States is a superpower. It can absorb setbacks, change course, and still emerge with a deal.
Israel does not enjoy that luxury.
The real damage is not military. It is reputational and strategic.
A conflict that was meant to strengthen Israel’s position may instead leave it more isolated internationally, more dependent on Washington, and with less moral and diplomatic capital than it possessed before the war.
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