
jim
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jim
@millennialsins
part time aspiring intellectual, part time troll
United States Entrou em Kasım 2017
307 Seguindo125 Seguidores

@drantbradley This isn’t an evangelical issue. This is a society that has insurance at thousands a month, high mortgages or rents and etc etc
Makes everybody a slave as they have to make a wage to survive, they don’t have the leash to take on risk.
You sound like a boomer
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The real issue isn’t lack of opportunity. It’s fear of failure. When failure becomes a moral category, men stop taking risks. No risk → no building, No building → no leadership We didn’t lose influence. We trained it out of kids, esp. boys. The link: open.substack.com/pub/anthonybbr…
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@NeilShenvi Is it real that men now are expected to take no as no and move on? Uh ya
Men who hear no and keep asking get mocked endlessly when the no actually meant no. They may even be accused of sexual assault.
the girl who said no and actually meant yes but demanded a chase is weird
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@millennialsins @markdtooley The GMC isn’t perfect but the leadership is really good, and I’ve never been more hopeful about the future of Wesleyan theology now that I’m in the GMC.
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How do we not have any plans for a Global Methodist church plant in Washington, DC?
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112 year old United Methodist church in DC to become residential. Meanwhile nobody is planning to replant Methodism in DC. bizjournals.com/washington/new…
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@ShaneRaynor @markdtooley I respect your work and what you are doing in the GMC by the way, I’m just speaking as a commentator who sees John Wesley as my spiritual hero, who has deep roots in the UMC, but left when pastor resigned his ordination and did a little GMC research at the time
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I get what you’re saying. Every church has a DNA that’s established early in its existence. Both good and bad tendencies can come from how the GMC formed, and we should be mindful of that. One way to balance/diversify that DNA is to focus on growing two ways: by growing within individual congregations and growing through establishing new congregations without the baggage we brought from our previous denomination.
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@millennialsins @markdtooley They weren’t too serious, or they wouldn’t have gone reformed. 😉
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@ShaneRaynor @markdtooley Also,I know there are many righteous men in the GMC who love God and pursue holiness like Wesley, but from what I’ve seen, many former UMC pastors who are now GMC left bc they were conservative theologically, not bc they wanted to return to Wesleyan roots or push toward holiness
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@markdtooley @ShaneRaynor IMO,When ppl thought Wesley, they thought UMC. When UMC went progressive, we lost the serious scholars and ministers of depth, sadly mostly to the reformed world. A full decoupling from that with a presentation on Wesleyan theology in a modern/sane context would do everyone good
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@ShaneRaynor @millennialsins And there are no prepared cadre of urban church planters in Wesleyan world & no plans to create.
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@ShaneRaynor @markdtooley I wasnt criticizing, just calling it as I see it. In its current form, GMC is just UMC churches that didn’t want to be hijacked by or associated with leftists. Maybe their own identity and strategy can be formed in time. There is a ton of room to reform back to Wesley’s vision.
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And in a fiscally-lean (by design) denomination, there’s not a lot of money designated for church plants, which means these congregations have to be creatively funded locally and not from the top down. Beyond that, the GMC could make the decision to go all in on church planting , find wealthy benefactors, and bring them on board with the vision. If your vision is compelling enough, the money will come. But that won’t happen by itself.
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@markdtooley @ShaneRaynor Im agreeing with you! I’m saying from what I’ve seen the GMC just took defectors and formed a denom. I haven’t seen any offense from them.
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@millennialsins @ShaneRaynor What big cities have GMC presence? Almost none. What are plans to reach them? Almost none.
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@ShaneRaynor @markdtooley Totally fair just listened to a pod where they were shocked there was no GMC churches in DC and I was like well unless one was intentionally planted, the dc area UMC churches don’t fit the bill of those that left in any way.
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@millennialsins @markdtooley You’ve gotta start somewhere. We’ll see where it goes.
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@BMcGrewvy The best Christian’s are focused on impacting their family’s and neighbors in substantive ways, not social media.
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@billroach_ Not really. Christians need to live holy lives and show fruit and grow in love and that will be apologetics enough
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@freemarketeer1 @ShaneRaynor Im not hammering the point about being conservative to imply it’s a bad thing. I’m saying they left bc they didn’t want to be tied to the libs and leftist embarrassing them all the time.
It didn’t have much to do with a desire for more personal holiness (for many)
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@millennialsins @ShaneRaynor Yes I agree and that isn’t bad, but it’s not enough nor should even be the first priority, we need people who have orthodox social beliefs with gracious works of mercy to the most down trodden
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@freemarketeer1 @ShaneRaynor “Almost” all UMC churches pre split had gotten pretty watered down even if conservative. Not a lot of depth from the pulpit to be found anywhere. Those same churches with that same issue make up a lot of the GMC, they just vote red and are conservative with social issues. IMO
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@millennialsins @ShaneRaynor I mean nothing wrong with being a Conservative, I am and I am a young member, the problem is making sure that devotion to God is the first, most important principle
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@freemarketeer1 @ShaneRaynor 1) nothing wrong at all, just saying most GMC churches I know are still 70% older at least.
To the OPs point, devotion to God, depth, return to Wesleyan roots, discipleship etc will absolutely change/sustain the GMC, but that isn’t to current course the demon is on overall imo
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@ShaneRaynor They’ll need to not care about numbers of attendees. A church of 50 with 50 people willing to push hard and go deep can change the community. But if the goal is to get to 200 quickly, you’ve got to water stuff down along the way. Which is what happened to the UMC.
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@IFFFMEISTER You’d just risk being treated like a Mormon from big Eva. The mainlines probably wouldn’t even care. Interesting thing is you may be right.
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