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$IREN - Complete A-Z investment case In this post Iโ€™ll cover why I expect this hyper-growth stock to crack $150 over the next 18 monthsโ€”representing a gain of 1150% from its current price of $12 ๐Ÿ“ˆ I went โ€˜All-Inโ€™ this stock, and for good reasonโ€ฆ. ๐Ÿงต
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Big Degen ๐Ÿ‡ฆ๐Ÿ‡บ@TheBigDegenยท
Love this post mate โ€ฆ inevitably Wall Street and the whole market will be forced catch up!! Patience is my middle name ๐Ÿ‘Š๐Ÿ˜Ž $IREN ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ
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Itโ€™s always funny to see Wall Street completely fumble hyper-growth stocks. The street is expecting $IREN to make ~$8.4b in revenues by FY 2030, with EBITDA margins of just ~68%. Analysts are completely mispricing $IREN's 4.5 GW site-portfolio and multi-GW pipeline beyond that. I went ahead and modelled out my own near-term projections for the coming 2 years, using the following assumptions: Childress: 300 MW: MSFT Deal 450 MW: air-cooled (B300), fully ramped by Q3 2027 British Columbia: 160 MW: Mostly air-cooled, fully ramped by Q1 2027 Sweetwater 1: 600 MW: Vera Rubin (VR200) fully ramped by Q1 2028 Results: ๐Ÿ‘‰ 2027 = ~$8.3b (Rev) / ~$6.6b (EBITDA) ๐Ÿ‘‰ 2028 = ~$12.7b (Rev) / ~$10.3b (EBITDA) One of Wall Streetโ€™s problems is that they only price whatโ€™s directly in front of them. My 2027 revenue estimates are basically Wall Streetโ€™s 2030 projections. ๐Ÿคฆ๐Ÿปโ€โ™‚๏ธ And to be honest, my assumptions are actually very sensible. For the air-cooled deployments across Childress & BC, I used revenues BELOW managementโ€™s guidance. For exact modelling inputs and FCF / net income projections up to 2030, refer to my new $IREN deep dive on Substack. To be clear, Iโ€™m much more confident in my 2028 projection, since Sweetwaterโ€™s ramp could be more heavily skewed toward H2 2027 and H1 2028 instead of the simplified linear ramp approach I used. However, the point remains: Wall Street is completely dropping the ball on this one. What do you think will happen once $IREN announces its next hyperscaler deals at Childress and Sweetwater? โ†’ Massive re-rate incoming, as Wall Street scrambles to upgrade their idiotic projections.

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JEFF WAN
JEFF WAN@JEFFWAN8ยท
@Agrippa_Inv Thank you for immense value you provide.๐Ÿซก
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Itโ€™s always funny to see Wall Street completely fumble hyper-growth stocks. The street is expecting $IREN to make ~$8.4b in revenues by FY 2030, with EBITDA margins of just ~68%. Analysts are completely mispricing $IREN's 4.5 GW site-portfolio and multi-GW pipeline beyond that. I went ahead and modelled out my own near-term projections for the coming 2 years, using the following assumptions: Childress: 300 MW: MSFT Deal 450 MW: air-cooled (B300), fully ramped by Q3 2027 British Columbia: 160 MW: Mostly air-cooled, fully ramped by Q1 2027 Sweetwater 1: 600 MW: Vera Rubin (VR200) fully ramped by Q1 2028 Results: ๐Ÿ‘‰ 2027 = ~$8.3b (Rev) / ~$6.6b (EBITDA) ๐Ÿ‘‰ 2028 = ~$12.7b (Rev) / ~$10.3b (EBITDA) One of Wall Streetโ€™s problems is that they only price whatโ€™s directly in front of them. My 2027 revenue estimates are basically Wall Streetโ€™s 2030 projections. ๐Ÿคฆ๐Ÿปโ€โ™‚๏ธ And to be honest, my assumptions are actually very sensible. For the air-cooled deployments across Childress & BC, I used revenues BELOW managementโ€™s guidance. For exact modelling inputs and FCF / net income projections up to 2030, refer to my new $IREN deep dive on Substack. To be clear, Iโ€™m much more confident in my 2028 projection, since Sweetwaterโ€™s ramp could be more heavily skewed toward H2 2027 and H1 2028 instead of the simplified linear ramp approach I used. However, the point remains: Wall Street is completely dropping the ball on this one. What do you think will happen once $IREN announces its next hyperscaler deals at Childress and Sweetwater? โ†’ Massive re-rate incoming, as Wall Street scrambles to upgrade their idiotic projections.
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Scott
Scott@Web3andbeyondยท
@Agrippa_Inv whats your price target for FY 2030 for IREN?
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Arthritisfinger
Arthritisfinger@arthritisfingerยท
@Agrippa_Inv We will see $IREN climb back to 60$ really soon.. When the market cools of, we will have a great run ahead of us!
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Lando
Lando@LandoInvestsยท
@Agrippa_Inv Itโ€™s almost too easy Agrippa, few understand
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Who knows. Impossible to predict. But I reckon itโ€™s sooner rather than later. I mean last year, we already saw a massive re-rate. We are simply now loading for the next phase. In the end, itโ€™s probably going to end up being a mix of factors that will catalyze $IREN well beyond $100.
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BFR
BFR@big_reabsยท
@Agrippa_Inv Frustrating part is when will Wall Street wake up and see it? Prove it time period I can only assume. Will we see enough AI rev in May to get the rerating or will it be Aug EC to get the rerating? Maybe later?
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Daniel Koss
Daniel Koss@daniel_kossยท
@LandoInvests wtf is that X generated headline lmao, i thought we had quite a polite exchange. X really out here framing it max controversial haha
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Lando
Lando@LandoInvestsยท
I get done from work and this is the first thing I see $IREN vs $NBIS Awesome ๐Ÿ˜‚
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Dr. Tomislav Marinovic
Dr. Tomislav Marinovic@DrTomsLensยท
Itโ€™s reasonable to assume that, as AI gets much bigger, a neocloud could eventually become a hyperscaler. And as things stand, $NBIS is the best positioned neocloud to get there. That means that, at some point, $NBIS might need additional compute for its AI startup customers in robotics, biology, and finance, and could end up renting bare metal from $IREN. Over the long run, software cloud margins are expected to be higher than bare-metal margins, so the math of renting bare GPUs and layering a software platform on top of it does add up. Put simply, as a hyperscaler with a heavy software stack, you can afford to rent GPUs and still sell the platform layer at a profit. It would be kinda funny if $NBIS and $IREN teamed up at some point in the future, but things do seem to be moving in that direction.
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Mark
Mark@marksotogesยท
There is no appetite for ANY risk right now (look at NVDA announcing Trillion rev and dividen and stock buyback and insatiable demand for its product and the stock is down) and for whatever reason anything AI is still seen as risky. Also, as we saw this week IREN is still very much seen as BTC play for wall street and based on last quarter earnings the reason why is obvious. 170M BTC rev vs 17M AI. Until those numbers change, which they will in the next 2 quarters, I dont see IREN moving much higher even on a new deal frankly unless it is massive and the terms are clearly profitable.
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Marc
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@Agrippa_Inv You talk about calendar years right? Which I honestly donโ€™t understand since you compare it to wallstreet estimates which they do for the financial year of IREN
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Juliรกn
Juliรกn@huliwoodยท
Spicy speculation: $IREN sponsoring Sydney Swans + Anthropic opening a Sydney office = possible $IREN-Anthropic Australia partnership. @Agrippa_Inv calls it speculation but the logic is hard to ignore.
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Gen Z Investor
Gen Z Investor@genZinvest0rยท
This is the correct question, and as you noted, there is no way to know for sure as we donโ€™t know contract specifics. $NBIS PR states that capacity was expandable โ€œup toโ€ 300MW, however DataOneโ€™s decision to decrease total number of gensets from 36 -> 32 indicates (strongly suggests) that a hard cap on total number of running engines was not initially modelled for. This is further emphasized by the fact that DataOne was pushing for the hard cap on # engines to be switched to a 12-month rolling emissions cap, i.e, instead of being capped to 27 engines running simultaneously, they would be capped to the aggregate emissions corresponding to 27 engines running simultaneously over the duration of 12-months. I guess you understand what the difference between these would look like in reality. As for how this impacts the Microsoft deal remains a genuine open question, and itโ€™s also the reason why I have been criticising CAB publicly saying he should focus on execution at Vineland rather than engage with retail investors on X, since at the time of his (short lived) X run, this was developing behind the scenes. To those Iโ€™m speaking to that are aware of this, we have our theories on what impact this will have, both good and bad, but as we have agreed upon, we wonโ€™t be able to come to a concrete conclusion without more information
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Why Iโ€™m Not Invested in $NBIS First of all, let me make one thing clear: contrary to what you might think, Iโ€™m not an $NBIS bear. But then again, Iโ€™m not invested eitherโ€ฆ and for good reason. Nebius positions itself as a holistic cloud platform with superior software technology that caters to AI-native start-ups and enterprise clients. That in and of itself isnโ€™t a problem, but it means they're directly competing against the largest hyperscalers in the world, who are also targeting that exact cohort with their own set of software solutions (Google Cloud, Microsoft, etc.). Nonetheless, if $NBIS can successfully differentiate itself with its core offerings, it could gain some pricing power, which is the companyโ€™s best shot at one day becoming profitable. The problem is, $NBIS is VERY far away from thatโ€ฆ Looking at the last quarterly filing, the companyโ€™s gross expenses + depreciation equaled ~110% of its revenues. In other words, these two cost categories exceeded the value of the underlying revenues ($249.2m vs. revenue of $227.7m). To be fair, last quarter Nebius still used a 4 year depreciation schedule on GPUs, which is rather short and overstates depreciation. Adjusting for a 5 year depreciation schedule (industry standard) leads us to $144.6m of depreciation. Then, adding gross expenses of $68.5m on top gets you to $213.1m, which equals 93.5% of revenues. And keep in mind, this figure does NOT include the hundreds of millions in costs spent on SG&A, R&D, and financing (interest). So whatโ€™s my point with this? The problem is, these are STRUCTURAL costs, the kind that scale with revenue, meaning you canโ€™t easily grow out of them through sheer scale. My point is that $NBIS' pricing power is nowhere to be seen, at least not relative to its costs. Now, most $NBIS investors would probably argue that we are still "early" and that pricing power will show up eventually. My problem with that argument is that the company seems to be allocating a very large chunk of its pipeline towards servicing hyperscalers through bare metal offerings, the kind of โ€œbulkโ€ service that does NOT command significant pricing power. That means, fundamentally speaking, $NBIS is likely very far away from actually becoming profitable. And while right now everyone is focused on headline figures like ARR, the marketโ€™s patience will run out eventually... it ALWAYS does for every company. One day, the market will demand to see real profits flow down to the bottom line, and Iโ€™m not sure if $NBIS is structurally positioned to deliver on that any time soon. To make matters worse, investors canโ€™t even model out the economics of these large hyperscaler deals, because management provides absolutely 0 information on anything except headline figures. We donโ€™t even know the CapEx associated with these deals, or at the very least, the number of GPUs they have to purchase to fulfill their end of the bargain. Contrast that with a company like $IREN, which gives you all the necessary information to build an entire P&L and cash flow model over the full course of the contract length, which is exactly what Iโ€™ve done extensively for our subscribers on Substack. I have a VERY good idea of how much actual post-tax net income $IREN is making in every year of their hyperscaler contract. There are other reasons that further point in the same direction, but I wonโ€™t get into them right now. If they fix their cost structure one day, Iโ€™m happy to reconsider my stance. But as of today, their โ€œblack boxโ€ approach to publishing details on their largest deals makes them uninvestable for me.
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Mid-Level Cruiser
Mid-Level Cruiser@midlevelcruiserยท
the easiest way to settle the $NBIS vs $IREN debate is to shut up and buy both
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Daniel Koss
Daniel Koss@daniel_kossยท
A few thoughts: 1. I don't know who @Agrippa_Inv is, but they strike me as someone who puts in the work, does the research, and forms a thesis grounded in conviction and a strong internal world model. This is the right way to invest, in my view, if you do it full-time and have the bandwidth. More people should share their thinking like this. X is better for it. 2. Unsurprisingly, as a $NBIS investor, I disagree with several of the points made. 3. That said, I genuinely enjoyed reading this post. It was well articulated and I appreciated hearing a thoughtful opposing perspective. 4. What I find deeply frustrating, and frankly embarrassing for both investor communities, is that every reasonable take like this one attracts only two types of responses: "yeaaaaah you're sooooo smart" from those who own the same stock, and "you're an idiot, have fun staying poor" from those who don't. The problem was never disagreement. Disagreement is healthy. The problem is the complete absence of decency and taste in how people engage. And that is exactly why arguing in the comments with those people is pointless. I will block anyone in my replies who resorts to insults simply because they disagree. Now, regarding the substance: no, I won't be writing a 10 page long, combative rebuttal. I don't have the time right now. For those who need constant reassurance, I will share my simplistic view though: My view is straightforward. I believe inference demand will be staggering. I believe we'll be dramatically short AI compute sooner than most expect. Many companies are positioned to benefit, but as a stock picker, I want the one best positioned to capture that value. I don't believe owning physical infrastructure or having grid-secured energy contracts is the key differentiator long term, though I absolutely recognize these are valuable, strategic assets that can accelerate timelines. What I do believe is this: Nebius is building an ecosystem with multiple layers of value-adding services. They get mischaracterized as only a software company that secretly does Bare Metal deals. No, they are a full stack company that truly does it all. Infrastructure, software and much more. In my view, they are the only potential next hyperscaler with true full-stack expertise, world-class across every dimension. And I have very high confidence in their management to deliver, based on past execution against promises, skillset, and track record. I don't have that same level of trust in other companies. Can $IREN outperform? Absolutely. I'd characterize it as higher risk, higher reward. I could write 40 pages on this, but I don't see the point. I don't have a Substack to sell right now, and I know most people would just read an AI summary of it anyway. At some point in the future, these companies will both trade based on execution. Right now the reality is they don't. Currently they trade together like twins. Love it or hate it, that's the reality today.
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Why Iโ€™m Not Invested in $NBIS First of all, let me make one thing clear: contrary to what you might think, Iโ€™m not an $NBIS bear. But then again, Iโ€™m not invested eitherโ€ฆ and for good reason. Nebius positions itself as a holistic cloud platform with superior software technology that caters to AI-native start-ups and enterprise clients. That in and of itself isnโ€™t a problem, but it means they're directly competing against the largest hyperscalers in the world, who are also targeting that exact cohort with their own set of software solutions (Google Cloud, Microsoft, etc.). Nonetheless, if $NBIS can successfully differentiate itself with its core offerings, it could gain some pricing power, which is the companyโ€™s best shot at one day becoming profitable. The problem is, $NBIS is VERY far away from thatโ€ฆ Looking at the last quarterly filing, the companyโ€™s gross expenses + depreciation equaled ~110% of its revenues. In other words, these two cost categories exceeded the value of the underlying revenues ($249.2m vs. revenue of $227.7m). To be fair, last quarter Nebius still used a 4 year depreciation schedule on GPUs, which is rather short and overstates depreciation. Adjusting for a 5 year depreciation schedule (industry standard) leads us to $144.6m of depreciation. Then, adding gross expenses of $68.5m on top gets you to $213.1m, which equals 93.5% of revenues. And keep in mind, this figure does NOT include the hundreds of millions in costs spent on SG&A, R&D, and financing (interest). So whatโ€™s my point with this? The problem is, these are STRUCTURAL costs, the kind that scale with revenue, meaning you canโ€™t easily grow out of them through sheer scale. My point is that $NBIS' pricing power is nowhere to be seen, at least not relative to its costs. Now, most $NBIS investors would probably argue that we are still "early" and that pricing power will show up eventually. My problem with that argument is that the company seems to be allocating a very large chunk of its pipeline towards servicing hyperscalers through bare metal offerings, the kind of โ€œbulkโ€ service that does NOT command significant pricing power. That means, fundamentally speaking, $NBIS is likely very far away from actually becoming profitable. And while right now everyone is focused on headline figures like ARR, the marketโ€™s patience will run out eventually... it ALWAYS does for every company. One day, the market will demand to see real profits flow down to the bottom line, and Iโ€™m not sure if $NBIS is structurally positioned to deliver on that any time soon. To make matters worse, investors canโ€™t even model out the economics of these large hyperscaler deals, because management provides absolutely 0 information on anything except headline figures. We donโ€™t even know the CapEx associated with these deals, or at the very least, the number of GPUs they have to purchase to fulfill their end of the bargain. Contrast that with a company like $IREN, which gives you all the necessary information to build an entire P&L and cash flow model over the full course of the contract length, which is exactly what Iโ€™ve done extensively for our subscribers on Substack. I have a VERY good idea of how much actual post-tax net income $IREN is making in every year of their hyperscaler contract. There are other reasons that further point in the same direction, but I wonโ€™t get into them right now. If they fix their cost structure one day, Iโ€™m happy to reconsider my stance. But as of today, their โ€œblack boxโ€ approach to publishing details on their largest deals makes them uninvestable for me.

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Cernunnos Capital
Cernunnos Capital@CernunnosCapยท
@Agrippa_Inv You guys didnโ€™t even get any $MSFT contract in March of 2025. Second - what was the AI Cloud revenue in Feb/March of 2025 and how much MW was togetherAI leasing? ๐Ÿ˜‚ @SemiAnalysis_ mentioned there were bugs if we are not wrong.
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Cernunnos Capital
Cernunnos Capital@CernunnosCapยท
$IREN allegedly rejected an $NVDA investment offer ๐Ÿคฏ, similar to what $NBIS got. @Agrippa_Inv Wow... the copium here is unreal ๐Ÿคก We donโ€™t like to be aggressive on our takes and focus on rebuttals, But this pathetic. $CRWV $CIFR $ORCL #NVIDIAGTC
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@Spiralout_one Writing correction: I bet $IREN got the exact same offer, **yet declined**, to preserve maximum autonomy & flexibility.

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I just laid out my main reason for not investing in $nbis (lack of transparency around deal disclosures & an upside down P&L statement). Personally, I donโ€™t invest in companies due to their private co subsidiaries for whom I have likewise 0 transparency about financial performance. I couldnโ€™t care less what PE values these companies for. How am I supposed to know if they are fairly valued or not if I canโ€™t even get access to their financial statements? Iโ€™m a value based hyper-growth investor, not a speculator.
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Tommy Lee
Tommy Lee@tommyleed8888ยท
@Agrippa_Inv @JustusFult99485 Iโ€™ve barely seen Agrippa even talk about avride or clickhouse in his nebius analysis. These are both potentially worth more combined than Irens market cap today
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TopHeavyNBIS
TopHeavyNBIS@JustusFult99485ยท
Iโ€™m outperforming every single one of you $IREN jock straps, post your YTDs!!!
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