insane false equivalence america was created by explorers and adventurers, not immigrants. settling a continent, building institutions from scratch, creating a legal and economic system that didn’t exist before and civilizing wilderness is not the same as moving to a civilization someone else built builders move from better to worse places immigrants move from worse to better places the distinction matters

@IterIntellectus Where is the false equivalence? I don’t see it.

@IterIntellectus Also worth noting the explorers and adventurers had no safety net or fallback plan (welfare, govt subsidies, etc) should they not succeed. Very different operating environment and incentive structure

@IterIntellectus yep moving to a welfare state and moving to the wilderness are not the same thing

@IterIntellectus Coming from somewhere else and settling on someone else's land still makes you an immigrant...that's the definition of the word

@IterIntellectus @NanHayworth US ethnic groups in 1915 and 1991. Didn’t read the OP post…just like data and images 🤓

@IterIntellectus I don't even like you guys and I absolutely agree with you

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@IterIntellectus yeah.. btw civilizations are finite machines..they run on scarce builders and collapse once dependents outnumber the productive class that sustains them

My wife was brought here as a child by her parents. They were immigrants, but they were builders. They came from a country where her parents both had professional positions, owned a house, a car, had generations of friends and family, but a government who hated that they were Christians, and hated that they would not bow to the Baathist political orthodoxy. They fled that life of material comfort and psychospiritual oppression with the tiny fraction of their possessions they could sneak out, not knowing where they would end up. They followed the rules, filed the paperwork, sought home in half a dozen countries, and arrived, with permission, in America after 2 years as stateless refugees. At their arrival, her parents took 3 minimum wage jobs between the two of them, and worked their way from sharing an apartment with aunts and uncles to individual homeownership and sending their children to university. This is what American immigration can be, and it used to be the norm for what it was in practice. Everyone who comes here as a taker diminishes them and their efforts and their identity even more than it diminishes natives like myself.

@IterIntellectus Those were immigrants.

@IterIntellectus @TomsTidbits I think you could argue that many recent arrivals are colonizers. They are establishing enclaves of their culture and weakening the existing culture.

@IterIntellectus The U.S. is also a Christian nation; NOT some multi-cultural economic zone. Freedom of religion served to unify Christian sects so one would not have power over another when governing the country. The state constitutions required citizens to be Christian and/or believe in God.

@IterIntellectus Worth posting again, perfect for this post-

@IterIntellectus "builders move from better to worse places, immigrants move from worse to better places" Perfectly stated.

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@IterIntellectus "builders move from better to worse places" How so? The US was actually a better place than Europe even though it had to be civilized.

@IterIntellectus The Natives are definitely not sending anyone to the moon, or inventing cars and computers

@IterIntellectus They never stop to think that unlimited immigration is what took down the Native Americans.

@IterIntellectus Um get a dictionary.

@IterIntellectus Big difference building something vs taking something. Exploring new lands is different from immigrating where the grass is greener.

@IterIntellectus If we all come from ethiopia / africa, then all civilizations are built by adventurers, just not africa?

@IterIntellectus @ContrarianVinny No comparison! My ancestors were settlers and They expected hard work, not a handout and most definitely went from a wonderful place to a place far worse, from London to the wilds of Virginia, New England and New Amsterdam.

@IterIntellectus True. Then they'll have romanticized projections of them being noble savages with a superior moral code. To them I say, you're welcome for the Magna Carta.

@IterIntellectus What? How are “explorers and adventurers” not immigrants?!

@IterIntellectus Are you retarded? If the conditions in England were so great, the original colonists wouldn’t have sailed for weeks in open ocean. They fled because of religious persecution and better economic opportunity. Conditions were not good

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@IterIntellectus Not necessary to worse places, to the places with more opportunities. It is also happened so that unexplored new places have a vast amount of opportunities.

@IterIntellectus yes !

@IterIntellectus Didn't settle across the Cumberland gap until 1774. 167 years after Jamestown! Comparing these people to modern immigrants is laughable. Post Vietnam War North America was literally utopia by historical and modern standards. Welfare state, infrastructure, health care, etc

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@IterIntellectus @Greene_Thoughts America is not a nation created by explorers, rather a group of exploiters. Every generation has exploited immigrants and also slaves. It is amazing that America developed such that immigrants were able to establish themselves and get to benefit from their productivity.

@IterIntellectus @AJA_Cortes “builders move from better to worse places immigrants move from worse to better places” This should be engraved in the walls of every school and institution. Could not have said it better.

@IterIntellectus @jayBenningg So what is your point? What about all the immigrants that come here from “worse places” and contribute to our society by working and paying taxes? Should they just get fucked?