Wes Arminious

@arbyredopinion When Christians started to think these guys were not that bad because they were "sinning in the right direction" was the day that it became clear we supported power over humility and holiness.

Today on X was painfully eye-opening. There are SO many professing believers who have never understood or accepted the Gospel for themselves.

@AaronChaplain @TheJollyBrawler @TomBuck Doug says it's fine. Oh, wait. That was a bad idea!

@TheJollyBrawler @TomBuck Does He? I've never met a repentant pedophile.

If someone argues that a former promiscuous woman is "damaged goods" and questions whether a Christian young man should marry her, remember Rahab. She was a Canaanite prostitute but became a mother in the lineage of Jesus. God redeemed her, cleansed her, and Salmon married her.

@TheJollyBrawler @TomBuck Doug says, YES!!!

@TomBuck God cleanses and forgives pedophiles. Should our daughters marry pedophiles?

@bobda @DeekUsa @5Solas2 Good convo. I'm at the end. We should all keep seeking the truth.

@AlexHam1111 @DeekUsa @5Solas2 It doesn't. Obedience to God is what matters. If you leave your marriage because you feel like it you're diobeying God. That's serious. What you just said is no different then saying "if you didn't gouge your eye out it undercuts how bad lust really is"

Do you agree or disagree? What are your thoughts on divorce and remarriage?

@bobda @DeekUsa @5Solas2 1st paragraph is great... seriously well written. I just can't go with the second part. If God says, "Really, really consider what you will do to your spouse-make her an adulteress" but then says it was just all hyperbole, it undercuts the seriousness of remaining married.

He's saying to a married person considering a divorce, "this is serious. Marriage should be a life long thing. The two become one flesh. That's how I designed it to be. Consider that before you give her that write of divorce that I made a legal provision for in the Old Testament because I know how messy imperfect relationships are. I know what it's like to be betrayed. I divorced Israel because of her idolatry, but consider that your choice will likely end with her sleeping with someone who is not you, and I brought you two together for only you to be with each other. Consider that its not what's best for you. Consider that it's not what's best for them. Consider the implications of not submitting to me in this." It's not however God's instructions to those that have found themselves on the other side of that situation with their ex alreadying having broken the covenant anyway.

@bobda @DeekUsa @5Solas2 I don't think it fits as hyperbole but it is a possible reading. I'm an old dude who has studied this topic for years and have yet to hear the hyperbole view on "makes her a victim." When I hear wholly new readings my radar gets set off b/c there isn't much new under the sun.

@AlexHam1111 @DeekUsa @5Solas2 I don't feel like applying a standard hermeneutic is particularly unique, but thank you I think.

@bobda @DeekUsa @5Solas2 I will give you that you have a unique way of reading this text. Most people who believe marriage after divorce is allowed simply say it should be rendered, "makes her the victim of adultery." While that rendering fits their theology, it abuses the actual text.

The structure is exactly the same between "gouge out your eye" and "causes her to commit adultery" "You have heard that....but I say..." Jesus is using hyberbole to emphasis how serious these things are. Marriage is very serious. However He is NOT addressing those who are the ones who have been left and giving them instruction, he's addressing the ones considering leaving and saying reconsider your sin.

@bobda @DeekUsa @5Solas2 So, you are saying it doesn't really make her commit adultery if she remarries? Jesus is just trying to shock them? P.S. I agree it's Jesus' way to stop easy divorce. But I disagree that the consequences to the woman won't be real.

The hyperbole is saying, "hey you hard hearted one not taking your vows seriously, pay attention. This is serious stuff. Your sin has ripple effects more than you understand. It's not just about you. This effects your spouse too" It's a plea to the hard hearted to take it seriously. It's not saying "your sin, makes her a sinner to"

@bobda @DeekUsa @5Solas2 She doesn't sleep with a married man but is divorced because she burnt the dude's toast (a real reason for divorce that was used at this time). Yet, Jesus says she is made an adulteress (the assumption being she had no other option in life but remarriage).

@AlexHam1111 @DeekUsa @5Solas2 By sleeping with a "married" man. If I'm married and you knowingly sleep with me. We're both adulterers.

@bobda @DeekUsa @5Solas2 In Matthew 5 Jesus says that to divorce a woman "makes her an adulteress." How does a woman who gets divorced by someone who wants a willy nilly divorce (for burning his toast?) become an adulteress?

@AlexHam1111 @DeekUsa @5Solas2 Jesus is showing his opposition to sin, not creating a rule that makes someone who's been left/abandon in marriage sinful for desiring a Godly marriage once they are no longer married.

@bobda @DeekUsa @5Solas2 It's like the teaching of the wrongness of homosexual sex in Romans 1. People want to limit the injunction to those taking the "superior" sexual position.

@bobda @DeekUsa @5Solas2 So if I only have Mark, which many churches did for awhile until a scroll of Matthew came to their church, they were getting the teaching all wrong? You are trying to limit the Word of God to a very specific group and letting all others off the hook. Mark is clear.

@bobda @DeekUsa @5Solas2 How is Mark 10:11-12 from an entire chapter of hyperbole? What clues are there for those who had Mark's gospel that this was hyperbole?

@AlexHam1111 @DeekUsa @5Solas2 You're taking 1 verse out of an entire chapter of hyperbole and saying "this one thing isn't hyperbole" You're deceiving yourself.

@bobda @DeekUsa @5Solas2 And Mark is hyperbolic, too? C'mon, man.

Matthew 5 is using hyperbole to explain that 1) sexual sin is serious and lusting is as serious as adultery and 2) marriage is serious and leaving your spouse flippantly is as serious as adultery Yes, they are both hyperbolic. So is committing murder in your heart. The entire section is God saying, these matters of the heart are serious.

@bobda @DeekUsa @5Solas2 So now "he who marries a divorced women commits adultery" is hyperbole? I'm sorry you didn't have a pastor tell you the truth.

@AlexHam1111 @DeekUsa @5Solas2 So when the bible says "gouge out your eye" and you don't you're not disobeying God? Same passage, same topic (sexual sin).

@RyanHurst171 You are required to agree with "anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery" if you want to follow Christ.

Homosexuality is an abomination, and all Christians are required to agree with this.

@bobda @DeekUsa @5Solas2 So if you marry a divorced woman YOU are not committing adultery when the Bible says "anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery." You got some kind of super power there.

@AlexHam1111 @DeekUsa @5Solas2 It's not. Neither one of them say a divorced person can't get remarried.

@bobda @DeekUsa @5Solas2 Wrong. I don't believe there is an exception for remarriage. Jesus allows separation/ divorce when "porneia" occurs. But you can't get married again until your spouse dies. That's consistent with both Paul and Jesus.

@AlexHam1111 @DeekUsa @5Solas2 You don’t even believe that though. You believe there’s an exception for adultery so marriage isn’t always until death to use part. Sometimes it’s until adultery to us part. Your view of marriage isn’t even consistent with what you claim.

@bobda @DeekUsa @5Solas2 Wrong. Yours is a woke teaching the church never held to until recently.

@AlexHam1111 @DeekUsa @5Solas2 This passage uses 3 different Greek words for separate/divorce and the differences between them only serves to strengthen what I’m saying and further demonstrate the legalism of your position.

@bobda @DeekUsa @5Solas2 Ummmm...this command was in effect when they were legally married. And as we said earlier, God doesn't care what the county courthouse says about you being divorced. You are married until death. "What God has put together let no man tear asunder."

@AlexHam1111 @DeekUsa @5Solas2 To “THE MARRIED I GIVE THIS CHARGE” A divorced person is not married.