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@Cave_Escaper
Actor of the will, Self taught master of making lemonade. Reason over rhetoric, Rationale over reaction. There is no Us vs Them, there is only the burden of man
USA, Earth Beigetreten Aralık 2012
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@lleo_i0 and the "altruistic" camp defining the concept of Toxic Altruism so succinctly in their reaction.
Both camps fail to recognize outliers. A parent risking needless death puts their child's future at risk, but if the child votes blue, it makes sense for the parent to as well.
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C'est fou comme l'opposition bouton rouge/bouton bleu est un miroir parfait de l'opposition extrême-droite/gauche, avec le camp des égoïstes qui utilise l'ia pour décrédibiliser le camp des altruistes
𝔏𝔲𝔪𝔦𝔫𝔢𝔯𝔳𝔞@LumLotus
The new stance basically from blue.
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@MooseHamilton 68% red voters?!? uh oh, How did the genius class not see this coming?!?!?
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Red is indeed the midwit button. Everything people are posting trying to change the wording of the question, making statistical charts, and trying to make claims of game theory is just crash out cope from those who thought they were virtue signaling their logical prowess.
notsoErudite@notsoErudite
Since everyone was very curious my answer, my answer is obviously blue. Gotta save the naive, the kids, the blue lovers, and the principally hope-pilled people. You red button pickers need therapy.
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@doxntme There is no objectively wrong answer. That is the point of this exercise. All the flim flam hypothetical blah blah blah that people backup their vote with IS the correct answer. & Yes, online polls vs real life will don different results. Another reason there is no correct answer
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Also, a lot of red pushers somehow read this and made up fanfiction in their head that I claimed red was an objectively wrong answer. I understand why you would choose red, but you don't get to ignore the implications of that decision/remove the morality
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FwogEnjoyer@doxntme
The only argument I understand for red is "it guarantees my survival no matter what the outcome is" which you can argue is selfish, but at least understandable. Anything outside of that is lowkey pseudo intellectualism/just evil.
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What is it with red button pushers rewriting the question, like you're presenting an entirely different scenario
Rock Solid@ShitpostRock2
Dumbest fucking hypothetical ever posted
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Everyone on earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press? BE HONEST.
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@Daraen993 @dannycantalk After further thought, I agree that pressing the red button is essentially "not participating". It requires a single participant to justify any altruistic approach. So there are subsets to "blue voters", some are altruistic, some are dangerous to themselves and to the world.
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@Cave_Escaper @dannycantalk btw I take the question as "people are pressing by their own free will and have understood the premise". if we include accidental inevitable blue presses, maybe it would be the moral thing to save them. But if there arent, there is no one to save, no blue button necessary
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For red pressers: The test is over. Red button won. You don't know by how much.
You are randomly selected to get one last chance to save everyone.
If you press the red button again, nothing changes. If you press the blue button, only you die and everyone else lives.
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@RatioReussi @ItsReallyThick @JonathanRawles I have a question that I like to ask people. Do you think dropping the nuclear bomb on Hiroshima was morally right? It ended Hitler, it ended a world war, it birthed Israel. If it was not moral, how could we have morally ended Hitler's reign? I find it interesting to think about
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Sorry, I’m a “Blue Button” pusher.
Here’s a very simple “push red” framing, and still 22% choose blue.
Mankind is not purely logical or statistical, and it’s sensible to take that into account.
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@RatioReussi @ItsReallyThick @JonathanRawles I appreciate your viewpoint. I advocate that there is no wrong answer to this question, everyone runs on different assumptions and that's fine. I habitually look for good in bad and vice versa. In a situation where people die, I would try to find the "silver lining".
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@Cave_Escaper @ItsReallyThick @JonathanRawles So I'm advocating that if this theory holds up, pressing blue is better for the future of mankind
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@RatioReussi @ItsReallyThick @JonathanRawles Yea but you didn't lead in with a eugenics argument, you lead in with "muh Hitler". Eugenics can be about selective breeding too, it doesnt have to be "pruning". If anyone dies in the button experiment, you get "eugenics" whether you like it or not. So, what's your point?
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@Cave_Escaper @ItsReallyThick @JonathanRawles I mean, it's literally eugenics 101 and he's the prime modern example of this philosophy
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@Plantbiased @JonathanRawles ok sure, but there are really only three strategies here: "self preservation" vs "Preserve others" vs "you pressed blue when nobody else had"
A percentage of the population must risk sacrifice for an ultra-minority that had no reason risk sacrifice.
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@Cave_Escaper @JonathanRawles Having people try wildly different strategies is an important part of why humanity has been able to adapt and thrive, so I don’t think so
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@ItsReallyThick @RatioReussi @JonathanRawles oh look, Hitler got dragged into this. Who would have ever expected that in modern discourse? People are so insightful here.
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@workflowsauce My new approach is that the world will be a better place if everyone could agree. There is only one outcome where we are left with a population who agree with each other.
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> Pressing blue is the only way people die
This is “if everyone will just”
The majority of red arguments reduce to this
Blue accepts that everyone will not just
NanoScream@ironyisabich
@TheEbonyMaw Nothing bad happens if everyone presses the red button but the way the question is set up seems like you HAVE to press blue or else people will die Pressing blue is the only way people die Handy chart stolen from someone in the OP replies
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@bobdedbuilder @JustAPlop @MuricanPatr1ot @positivityofx People die when they slam the breaks and try to get rear ended. it was a common scam a decade ago. Enough people died doing it that it stopped being so common. that's why you dont slam the breaks
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@JustAPlop @MuricanPatr1ot @positivityofx No but I have seen people get hit and lose their lives over silly things as well. Lost a friend to idiots like this. Pulled out in front of his rig and his cab was smashed in bc of an idiot cutting people off
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Not all heroes wear capes; some drive Camrys.
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@positivityofx I love seeing this more and more. I thought I was the only one that did this to left lane cruisers.
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"What would I do with 2 million dollars?"
Dude. If modern games, comics, movies, etc. suck so much (and they do) find talented people and pay them to MAKE STUFF.
We have talented creators working at Walmart, meanwhile our millionaires are sitting on their money doing nothing I'm going crazy
Rexha 🐸@RexhaRexhaRexha
Asmongold reveals he has no idea how much money he makes, but knows he paid $4,000,000 in taxes & Caleb Hammer advises him he should be spending $2,000,000 a year Caleb: "I will tell you how much you can spend, how much do you make?" Asmongold: "Uhm I know how much I owed, over $4,000,000. I am going to be honest with you I have no idea what the answer is I got 1099 and it was like millions of dollars, I don't even know where it came from." Caleb: "Okay so you probably make 6-8" Asmongold: "More, a lot more than that" Caleb: "Okay spend 2 million a year" Asmongold: "Oh my god, what the fuck would I do with 2 million dollars a year"
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@escobedev @SigmaSyndikate @ConceptualJames If you have children, it is morally right to protect them and ensure you are alive long enough to continue protecting them. Thus, the framing is absolutely everything.
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@SigmaSyndikate @ConceptualJames You can make people fear more the idea of dying, but the core is still the same, you either think only of saving yourself or you focus on what’s morally right.
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I told you the real point of this game is to get the people who would push blue to hate the people who would push red and to justify that hatred in an existential way, that is to further and justify their friend-enemy distinction thinking and self-righteous indignation.
Simone Syed@SimoneSyed
"What radicalized you" Realizing Red button pushers are willfully anti civilization
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@selfmaxxer lmao, oh man, 58%. Too bad all the geniuses pressed blue.
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This implies that blue would lose via red majority, which makes red the correct choice.
Bro really thought he did something.
Ideas Guy@nosilverv
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@InterspeciesFa1 @Khen_na_ @ObviousRises Ok fair, it can still be useful data but I just personally find it annoying win I answer a hypothetical question and people start throwing variables at me to get me to change my answer. People did this to me with the basic trolly test "what if they were doctors?!?, or pregnant?!"
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@Cave_Escaper @Khen_na_ @ObviousRises Well, why not probe it? We can look at the first and assume the motive is altruism. Or we can dig, and find that the vote is mostly people being retarded and vain. But that a handful of actual altruists are saving the retards. With variants, you can identify the split.
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The entire red vs blue button "debate" and "moral dilemma" is stupid.
Pressing the red button is always 100% logical, because if everyone presses it, EVERYONE LIVES, on the other hand some people will ALWAYS choose blue (and not to "save" anyone) makes no sense to pick blue.
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@ShitpostRock2 Yes and then this girl came along and basically inspired 90% of content on tiktok youtube.com/shorts/5aSFqKO…
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This girl had guys in a STRANGLEHOLD in the early 2010s
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