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Follow me, don't follow me I've got my spine I've got my Drunch Punk Collar me, don't collar me I've got my spine I've got my Drunch Punk —Adapted from R.E.M

@PrudentThinquer Convince me the witnesses didn’t “see” the plates like the king’s ministers “saw” his fine new robes in HC Andersen’s ‘The Emperor’s New Clothes.’ W1: “You see them, too, right?” W2: “Yeah, I totally see them! “Look how bright and shiny they are!” W3: “I know! “And so golden!”

Honest question: Did Martin Harris ever see the gold plates with his “natural” eyes or only his “spiritual” eyes?

@Sam_Fidler @Thatbrian Imagine having to believe correcting all the stuff your first two “prophets” got wrong is petty much the best God’s had to say the last 150 years.

@Thatbrian Imagine thinking that revelation from God today is a bad thing.

Jesus isn’t enough for Mormons. They need extra-biblical revelation, special underwear, secret temple ceremonies, 20 wives, and their own planets. . . Christians just need Jesus. That’s the telltale sign of a cult: Jesus and His cross are not enough. “We preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.” (1 Corinthians 1:23-24)

@MCrobison @RigdonNancy3 @RestoredTruth8 It’s “already happened to some degree?” To what degree? It’s been 200 years since BoM came forth. Do you think it’s a greater or lesser degree than expected? Has it gotten easier or harder for the church and BoM to convince the Jews with time, in your opinion?

@ReelinAllFight @RigdonNancy3 @RestoredTruth8 Jew and gentile. It’s already happened to some degree. I would say their faith is misunderstood. But once you realize who, why we have faith in-then the real journey of transformation begins to take place. True and lasting change comes through Jesus Christ.

I just love ignorance of exmos. Can we learn to deal with things better y’all:) Also the YT vid for the BofA is out!!

@MCrobison @RigdonNancy3 @RestoredTruth8 Doesn’t the Book of Mormon state that its goal is the convincing of the Jews that Jesus is the Christ? So if they didn’t have faith he was the Christ in the first place, now they need even MORE faith? Seems rather indirect and illogical, no?

Not one bit. It’s hard to live by faith. But it’s also better to live by faith. Truly knowing doesn’t give anyone any more faith desire to follow. Knowing something doesn’t produce any more conviction to follow. There’s plenty I’ve known in my life but didn’t follow because even though I knew, I didn’t want to know or believe what I knew. When we truly go after something, it’s because we have faith in the outcome if we succeed.

@TribeRuffner Then there’s this: With primitive tech, the ancient church converted ~1% of the Roman Empire w/in 200yrs, mainly pagans. LDS are about 0.2% globally at the same benchmark w/ modern tech, “converting” mainly Christians… But “Great Apostasy” and “Restoration” or whatever.

@TribeRuffner Esp. when one considers what their idea of “success” looks like, by comparison? Racism. Polygamy. Dishonesty (about the polygamy, in particular). Lawlessness (arson). Etc. 🤷‍♂️

So the Book of Mormon basically says that Jesus spread the gospel and established new, additional apostles over in the Americas... The problem is...there's no evidence of the gospel being spread? The original 12 Apostles spread the gospel, passed on apostolic succession, started churches, etc Christianity turned the world upside down entirely - it's undeniable the impact it had on the world. Not just historically speaking, but spiritually as well... But the Americas? Nothing. Not a trace. No manuscripts. No letters to the churches, not evidence of the gospel being spread whatsoever... Why? Did they fail? If they did fail and that's the argument the LDS folks want to take - that then means Christ established not one, but TWO different churches and BOTH of them failed?! Diabolically incoherent, right? What do you think?

@ayeeSybau @RykerJackson97 Bad Mormon doctrine. Do you not love your God? Want to tell Him? Praise Him?

@ReelinAllFight @RykerJackson97 You don’t have to pray to Jesus lmao ☠️🤣 he’s the mediator…

I’ll do you one better. How about the first line of the first verse of the classic Latter-day Saint hymn, “I Believe in Christ”?

@K10original @RykerJackson97 Maybe you would wear the square and/or compass around your neck?

@K10original @RykerJackson97 Why would I ever put Masonic symbols on my underclothes

@skyomedy @RykerJackson97 Doctrine according to @skyomedy. Try addressing a prayer to Jesus in a Sacrament meeting?

@ReelinAllFight @RykerJackson97 You still can, no one’s stopping you. Sure the technicality is there but I don’t think God is like “uh nuh nuh! You didn’t pray to ME so therefore your prayer is unheard! imo praying to Jesus would be the same as praying to God, since they’re both One. So I say go for it

@RykerJackson97 Deep dissatisfaction with not being able to pray to Jesus is a big reason I am exiting Mormonism. I never even felt like there is a good reason given in the Mormon canon why you can’t? Just bc? That’s what the God Jos. allegedly spoke with directly is quoted saying in BoM?

@ReelinAllFight We pray the way He commanded us to, to the Father in His name. And I personally don’t wear a cross but I have no problem with someone wearing one.

Some say “if life gives you 🍋🍋, make lemonade.” How cute. I say “if life gives you coffee cherries, strip away the flesh. Roast the hell out of the remaining seeds. Grind them down to bits. Drown them in scalding hot water. Filter out what remains. And enjoy the ☕️. Black.

@crapolavich @Thatbrian Just one example of the soft underbelly of Mormons’ embrace of the outward appearances of material wealth and “success”: x.com/ReelinAllFight…

@crapolavich @Thatbrian The more millionaire members the church can produce, the more those members are trapped by their own wealth and other members’ adulation and the belief that it is a reward for “righteousness,” Most seem oblivious to how contrary it is to Jesus’s actual NT teachings.

I reside near a prominent Mormon enclave on the East Coast, where one cannot help but notice their huge, opulent estates. Wealth and materialism appear not merely prominent, but almost axiomatic — a central organizing principle — across nearly every facet of Mormon life and culture. Am I the only one to notice this? Do Mormons worship the almighty dollar?

@Eddie1968K @BenBird53920553 Word salad. With gobbledygook dressing.

Well, OF COURSE this is correct. Were science to prove the Book of Mormon’s historicity, it would be science proving the supernatural because it is not possible to divorce the Book of Mormon’s historicity from its ahistorical production - Joseph Smith’s dictation between April 7 and July 1, 1829. This would then mean the supernatural message of the Book of Mormon is also proven by science - Jesus is our God, He is our Savior, and He truly rose from the dead. The Bible’s historical transmission - its books were copied and spread across generations means its historicity is normal. Finding places mentioned in it like Jerusalem and Bethlehem does not mean Jesus was God who died and rose from the dead. Science proving Zarahemla is no different than God appearing to the world. We lose faith and gain knowledge of God. That is a terrifying environment for any sin becomes unforgivable rebellion against God’s command. No repentance is possible.

@justin_hart Indeed. It’s the global franchise business of a very wealthy & profitable Amer. conglomerate. It depends on the BoM for its point of difference, but its claims of “continuing revelation“ give sr. leadership enough flexibility to modernize the product lto maximize revs./profits.

Mormonism may have its mysteries. Every faith does. But if you want to test whether a religion knows what it believes and -- more importantly -- LIVES what it believes, don't start with obscure theological edge cases. Start by visiting its congregations around the world. The LDS Church is one of the few places where a member from San Diego can walk into a chapel in Japan, Kenya, Brazil, or Germany and immediately know exactly what's happening. That's not what doctrinal chaos looks like. That's what a global faith with a shared theology looks like.

@teneb888 @fr_faulkner Yes, the “gold-ish plates lay hidden…” 🎶

@fr_faulkner Sorry dude - they’ve already done the math “Through the application of various heuristics, linguistic considerations, and experimental data the number of plausible configurations may be narrowed to about 865,000.”interpreterfoundation.org/journal/a-comb…

Here’s the trick though: Even if the Golden Plates were real, basically everybody who understands 1) Mathematics, 2) Materials Science, qnd 3) Linguistics & translations agrees the 270k-word Book of Mormon could never squeeze onto the thinnest plates with smallest hieroglyphics.

@Kintsugijin How do you worship Him if you don’t pray to Him?

I hate my timeline right now. Mormons are Christian. Christianity means discipleship of Jesus Christ. If your definition excludes people who worship Christ, covenant with Christ, preach Christ, and try to follow Christ, then your definition is broken. At that point, you’re not defending Christianity. You’re guarding a social club label. The question isn’t whether LDS are Christian. The question is why some people are so desperate to make Christ smaller than their own gatekeeping. 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️

@YourMomSMorris @ThoughtfulSaint Did it occur to Jos.—or God—that if polygamy were “restored,” men might, you know, abuse it if there weren’t more than “hypothetical” limits placed on it? Was that not one of the lessons of its ancient, OT practice? Maybe they’ll get it right next time? x.com/ReelinAllFight…

@YourMomSMorris @ThoughtfulSaint Source for 10 being hypothetical? Sounds like “Gospel according to ‘Your Mom,’” like something you just made up now. Source for allusion to the 10-virgins parable? It’s not even footnoted in the LDS canon!

Well the Bible doesn’t…. At all