@publicinte @st_louis_stan This is unfortunately more likely than any reflection. The ideas weren't bad you see. They would have worked if not for the ppl who rejected them. Ergo...
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@st_louis_stan they’re just gonna say somebody has to kill us to egg on the crazy ones, they don’t need positions anymore
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I'm going to guess "Woke 2.0" is going to involve zero soul searching about the truth of the actual positions held and be entirely about finding new rhetoric and packaging for the same ideas that normal people have already demonstrated they don't like
ettingermentum@ettingermentum
For those of us (nearly everyone) who recognize Woke 1.0 as a failure, what’s something specific you’re willing to say it got wrong? Here’s mine: the practice of describing policies that were, like, Kerner Commission recommendations as “prison abolition” to get attention was dumb
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@LouCyph26251704 @AuronMacintyre You've never seen border used as shorthand for immigration policy? The very term "open borders" uses it that way.
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@GithVes @AuronMacintyre Lol!!!!!! I never said they work a border but they work a border. After you specifically said they work the border. The goal posts are in the next county now. Give it up!
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The left is very clear that their plan is to dox ICE agents and then murder their families in their beds
They'll scream it loudly on tape with their face clearly visible, and why not?
There seems to be no penalty for planning the murder of a federal agent if you're progressive
TheBlaze@theblaze
Leftist rioter screams at ICE agent: “I have your face, motherf*****! Your whole f****** family is dead! Your kids. Your wife. All dead!”
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@GithVes @AuronMacintyre ICE does not work on the border, CBP does. They hid their faces because they knew going in that they were going to do heinous and unlawful things as directed. Cope all you want, but that's the reality.
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@MKP_vt @kokoromugenAW @pipkinpippa No group's a monolith, but we both know there are always dominant ways of thinking in every movement & always loud authoritative voices to express them.
The crux of that reasoning is when they consider something demeaning not lining up w/ other ppl's perceptions.
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@GithVes @kokoromugenAW @pipkinpippa Left wing people aren’t a monolith. Most of the ones I know don’t mind sexy stuff that’s mostly made to appeal to men, they have more of a problem if it’s demeaning to women
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a bunch of bored people have picked fefe as the socially acceptable target of the week
FeFe 🫦@CovfefeChan
@SleeplessSights It’s a joke btw but ok
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@dkdetectionunit @S3DigitalActual @9Ironhide82833 @TemplarsRoar I think that's beyond even an oversimplification, b/c it's entirely possible to look at someone like Morgpie & have an understandable loathing for her antics w/o being a misogynist.
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@GithVes @S3DigitalActual @9Ironhide82833 @TemplarsRoar am i simplifying things overmuch? probably. but this place has been a pigsty for chuds for the last month, with people just declaring open season on sex workers and lewdtubers, and it boils down to a hatred of women almost every single time.
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Pippa is entitled to her retarded opinion.
Things have changed in the 6 or 7 years since Projekt Melody was openly promiscuous. We, as a society, don't want open degeneracy from whores anymore. Under Biden, we saw how disgusting that path was and now we want to go back to shaming whores and removing the abnormal shit that has made everything worse.
Kurai Sumire-Ito@kelsburn3r
Guys Pippa isn’t woke! She’s a totally based Chud! That’s why she’s defending e-whores and has a bunch of people with pride flags in her replies supporting her! Because she’s so Heckin Based! Did you guys know she says retard too?
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@MKP_vt @kokoromugenAW @pipkinpippa In this case the biggest criteria would probably be anything traditionally unconventional or transgressive. It's not required, but they will absolutely hate on anything running counter to that, i.e. something traditional, conventional, or unapologetically appealing to men.
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@MKP_vt @kokoromugenAW @pipkinpippa They didn't at the height of those crusades. I know. I used to be a leftist & speaking against them only led to ostracisation.
Lefties don't hate sexy women, but they absolutely hate sexy women who don't do it on their terms, or even do it counter to their terms.
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@GithVes @kokoromugenAW @pipkinpippa Yeah well, a lot of left people also think those “crusades” are stupid. Body positivety’s a big thing here, and that includes conventionally attractive women. The belief itself of “all lefties hate sexy women” is formed from having never actually talked to one. Ignorance.
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@grock1199 @ettingermentum & unfortunately for the left, there's no putting that cat back in the bag.
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@ettingermentum It thought that there was a way to critique whiteness without causing an extreme overreaction from a large percentage of the country. Some people got politically activated who wouldn't have ever voted in their lives due to stuff that seemed to overreach like "Dear White People"
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For those of us (nearly everyone) who recognize Woke 1.0 as a failure, what’s something specific you’re willing to say it got wrong? Here’s mine: the practice of describing policies that were, like, Kerner Commission recommendations as “prison abolition” to get attention was dumb
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@carsplaining @ettingermentum They retroactively proved their worst enemies correct by moving onto Union generals & Founding Fathers once there were no more Confederates.
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@ettingermentum Tearing down statues of Abraham Lincoln was a surprise to me. You all went absolutely crazy and most of you still are.
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@dkdetectionunit @S3DigitalActual @9Ironhide82833 @TemplarsRoar No, there are plenty of other types of men who use that word for a variety of different reasons. You're being silly & clinging to a flimsy strawmen, mate. Come on, now.
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@GithVes @S3DigitalActual @9Ironhide82833 @TemplarsRoar There are exactly two kind of men that will call women whores, or agree with such: men who hate women, and men who've been cheated on. Being mad about real women reveling in their sexuality while making fictional eroge indicates the problem isn't the porn, it's women enjoying it.
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@MKP_vt @kokoromugenAW @pipkinpippa It really is. We all saw the Sarkeesian crusade & those that followed. We've all seen the repeated instances of "Your goonerfu is too white, too busty, & too conventionally attractive," BS.
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@GithVes @kokoromugenAW @pipkinpippa Really isn’t. In many of the circles I’m in, the horny that goes on is not what I’d call “safe horny” and all of them are primarily left wing circles.
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@Samuel_Lipson @ettingermentum I'd say a far bigger obstacle in the pro-gun control position is the blatant criminal apologia & the willingness to adopt violence too quickly.
In all honesty, the pro-gun control narrative has never recovered from the excesses of the Summer of 2020.
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@ettingermentum The maximal language on gun control blunted the momentum of obvious and broadly popular regulations
I like gun control as much as the next guy but you're never gonna convince people to give up everything short of bolt-action rifles with how armed to the teeth LEOs can be
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@MeritManiac @audoidzollern @ettingermentum Mate, if there was any of that in any appreciable amount to the concept, it wouldn't be nearly universally reviled like it currently is.
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@ya_durachek @SHCBTJH @ettingermentum Does it feel like ppl are memory holing the transgressions?
Or are they doing the far more logical thing & nursing those vigilant resentments a little more every time they're gaslit on the topic?
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@SHCBTJH @ettingermentum Modern people memory-hole things that happened a week ago. Woke people will be fine.
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@dkdetectionunit @S3DigitalActual @9Ironhide82833 @TemplarsRoar I agreed w/ your take that the puritanism is bad, but you're leaping to some really egregious strawmen there.
It's entirely possible & not at all crazy for someone to want a little self-aware boundary placement.
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@S3DigitalActual @GithVes @9Ironhide82833 @TemplarsRoar No, you're disgusted at women doing things you don't approve of. Come on, brother. This whole thread, this entire sentiment is a bunch of incels deciding that women shouldn't be allowed to profit from something they can't have for free.
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@NiccoRex @ettingermentum The penultimate line is really true. There are whole swathes of millennial & older gen Z men who will never go left ever again b/c of it.
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@ettingermentum It got everything wrong. The world model was all post-hoc, the tactics broke informal rules of engagement, it damaged most economies, and it provided a strong enough signal for RWers to see the egregore properly. It was crypto commies' first death knell
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@dnlklr @ettingermentum Lindsay Ellis mentioned something like this a few years ago in a video talking about the refusal of leftists to identify problems in-house b/c, for all its faults, the right is really good at turning terms against themselves, just like the two you mentioned; "SJW" & "Woke."
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@ettingermentum I liked how there was always a cadre dedicated to categorically denying that there was even such a thing as ‘woke’ or ‘sjw’
“Oh. ‘SJW?’ You mean not being a total garbage person?”
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@disclosure2x @fightinbobbyl @ettingermentum If the larger leftwing movement would drop it (& the ludicrously stupid open borders apologia) they'd be A LOT more competitive, but they won't.
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@fightinbobbyl @ettingermentum You know how rare it is for a progressive / liberal to let go of this and say this out loud?
We agree on probably nothing outside of this but you have my respect
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@MKP_vt @kokoromugenAW @pipkinpippa It doesn't take an echo chamber, it just takes being able to remember the 2010s where leftwing feminism was incredibly puritanical.
It largely still is if you're not cruising in the extremely narrow "safe horny," lane.
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@kokoromugenAW @pipkinpippa If you genuinely believe all this, then you are FAR gone into your little anti-woke echo chamber dude.
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@Spacekeybordkat @YuriTheScarling @Terra_isGreat @pipkinpippa I'm generally on your side on this issue, but he has a very good point when talking about public perception.
It's one thing if it's just some random layman w/ the wrong idea, it's quite another if it's someone at the helm of a payment processor or mod team.
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@YuriTheScarling @Terra_isGreat @pipkinpippa Cosplaying and Vtubing isn't in need of white knights defending its honor, and purity. This is silly.
If few blindered dumbasses have a misinformed opinion about something that's their problem, not the industry's/
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