@CptAncapistan You die if you don't vote red and red wins, red isn't non voting
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Nicholas Clay
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Okay, thought of another wrinkle.
If red wins by a large margin, then everyone who is alive pressed red. We all know we all pressed red. That actually builds some social cohesion.
But if blue wins, people will spend the rest of their lives suspecting people of pressing red. Admitting to have pressed red will make you a social pariah. There may even be calls to find and punish anyone who pressed red. This would create a highly paranoid society going forward.
A narrow red victory is still a disaster scenario, but a dominant red victory may actually be better than a blue victory.
Captain Ⓐncapistan@CptAncapistan
Alright, one last post about this after having given it a lot of thought and seeing people's reasonings. I'll give my final choice at the end. Firstly, I don't think you're necessarily stupid to pick blue or necessarily immoral to pick red. I think a lot of it just comes down to what your first instinct is, "we have to save everyone" or "why would anyone pick the option where you can die?" I think most people are sticking with their first instinct and finding ways to justify it. People are wired differently. It's good that society has a mix of these instincts as both compassion and self-preservation serve a purpose in our survival as a species. There are bad people and good people on both sides, and there are dumb people and smart people on both sides. I also think framing matters a lot, particularly when it's reframed as action vs inaction. The scenarios of taking a poison pill or jumping into a blender/woodchipper make it easy to choose red because blue is more clearly taking a suicidal action. The scenario of the red party killing everyone who voted for the blue party if they win makes it easy to choose blue because red is more clearly taking a homicidal action. The rules are still effectively the same in all three scenarios, but the framing matters. The button example is so controversial because the framing is as neutral as it can be, which lets both the blue side frame red side as homicidal and the red side frame the blue side as suicidal. The best argument I've seen for blue is that the only scenario where no one dies is if more than half of people press blue because we can safely assume that a non-zero number of people will press the blue button. On top of that, if a slim majority picks red, that's basically a Thanos snap situation, and it would be far worse than what the writers of Avengers: Endgame were able to fathom, with the added bonus of a selection bias that eliminates all the people with compassion instinct and leaves us only with the people with the self-preservation instinct. For those reasons, I would hope that the majority press blue. That being said, I still ultimately come down on pressing the red button. There are some 8 billion people in the world. The chances that my choice is the deciding button press is effectively zero. If I press blue, I'm just leaving my fate up to the results. My button press is meaningless. The only way I have agency in this situation is to press the red button. Also, I know my wife is pressing blue, but I don't know what my kids will do. If one or both of my kids press blue while the majority picks red, I can't save them by pressing blue. But, if one or both of my kids press red while the majority picks red, I can guarantee that they aren't orphaned if I press red. But hey, maybe I'm just finding a way to justify my initial instinct, just like everyone else. x.com/waitbutwhy/sta…
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@uubzu @RealSchmebulog @Musturursad @nosilverv This kid isn't just stupid, he is also soft and cowardly
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@uubzu @RealSchmebulog @Musturursad @nosilverv Don't feel bad that blue keeps winning, it has been winning for millennia, it should be expected they would win again and again.
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@RealSchmebulog @Musturursad @nosilverv You have 6000 tweets and nobody cares. Maybe it’s because they are like this one
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@McHeartattack3 @bryancsk Blue wins all the time in the real world, that's why the world still exists in the first place.
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@bryancsk “In an internet poll with literally no real stakes my side barely came out ahead. I am sure this is relevant to a poll where the voters could die”
Honestly, the more blues talk the more one realizes they are irrational retards who cannot even be reasoned with
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@HonoBon43233155 @shaggysurvives You are not for himz you will be for his army
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@NicholasDClay @shaggysurvives Immortan Joe is canonically straight. I wouldn't be his sex slave.
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@Rokieee__ @theo There is already a 10 trillion parameter model and Grok doesn't even have a 5 trillion parameter want yet, what are you on about?
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@HonoBon43233155 @shaggysurvives Anybody who has time for twitter before the dystopia doesn't have what it takes to be the main character hero or the warlord villain, just one of Immortan Joe's sex slaves.🤣
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@NicholasDClay @shaggysurvives so everyone in mad max gets raped daily😂. That wasn't on the red button label. I'll still take my chances
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@HonoBon43233155 @shaggysurvives Are you very powerful now before the dystopia? If not, your occupation in the dystopia will be castrated sex slave for Immortan Joe's horde.
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@NicholasDClay @shaggysurvives I never said I wanted mad max. I said i prefer Mad max over death. and like i said who says I can't be immortan joe.
Be Immortan Joe or death. I chose be Immortan Joe.
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@HonoBon43233155 @shaggysurvives You still die in Mad Max scenerio, you just get raped daily for 30 years first.
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@NicholasDClay @shaggysurvives If red is the majority then my two options are mad max or death.
I choose mad max over death.
P.s there is no guarantee I would be the one getting raped and murdered.
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@HonoBon43233155 @shaggysurvives Unfortunately, unlike you, most people aren't eager to be Immortan Joe's sex slave, something about being raped daily doesn't appeal to some of us.
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@HonoBon43233155 @shaggysurvives You are 100% right, if you want to live under the world of Mad Max, you should definitely choose Red. The worst that can happen is you get raped daily for decades and then being murdered, but atleast you would have been around for decades.
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@BaronGrenouille @BarneyFlames @Heeehooooo @davidshor What "Original"? This is the one people are debating and it doesn't care if you are a baby or sick, it isn't anybody else's problem
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@NicholasDClay @BarneyFlames @Heeehooooo @davidshor No. The original test always specifies that participants are able to understand the question, hence, no babies nor disabled people.
So the only people who chose to press blue are people who want to save people who chose to press blue to… save people who chose to press blue.
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We asked this to a large sample of nationally representative Americans - blue wins by a 3:1 margin!
Tim Urban@waitbutwhy
Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press?
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RETWEET if you stand with Jimmy Kimmel against Donald Trump!
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@UBERSOY1 @IanMalcolm84 I'm guessing he refused to have Musk's Baby
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@IanMalcolm84 If that were true utter slop wouldn’t be trending on the timeline
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@DanteB35353 @lporiginalg @Zaphoid You already lost, blue won and it has been winning for thousands of years
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@lporiginalg @Zaphoid Red doesn't need 100%. It just acknowledges the reality that that's what like 90% of people will do because it's the rational safe option and there's literally no rational reason to press blue in the first place.
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@Uncle_Chud @lporiginalg @Zaphoid Funny enough, only in the degenerate modern west is individualism worshipped to the extent of sacrificing family. Most Indians and Africans will think about family because putting family first before your own life is a core part of the culture.
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@lporiginalg @Zaphoid "Surely in India, the continent of Africa, and the brown world will altruistically choose blue over the 'I live button.'" Even if every White in the world voted blue, red world win.
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@MadScientist_42 @BrlyThnkng @lymanstoneky "it is suicide to defend our home from the satanic rape horde, every man for himself" - red pushers
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@BrlyThnkng @lymanstoneky Nope. It's made up like each and every excuse for choosing to commit suicide that each of the Blues have come up with. It's another lie.
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