John Buck 🇺🇸

@alphasymp @FiggyTater @WhenBeliefDies Here's a short articulation of what I call the participation theodicy. There's links in the follow-up, of short papers I've written as well as a couple discussions I've had with people going over it. twitter.com/WriterJohnBuck…

In a few hours, my pals @WriterJohnBuck and @ATIF_Podcast (pictured below) will be talking about the theological differences and points of agreement between Catholics and Mormons: youtube.com/live/WU1DIWCkM…

@ATIF_Podcast @waldenpod Oh, shoot, you were? 😬 ‘Cause that’s exactly what I was planning on doing.

@WriterJohnBuck @waldenpod I hope you know I’m kidding haha

Happy Easter, Christ is risen! This Tuesday I will be on @waldenpod, going over the major points of agreement and disagreement between Catholicism and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints with @ATIF_Podcast. I’m really excited.

@logos_asarkos Are you relying on a church father over the scriptures?

“[The Apostles], by the will of God, handed down to us [the plan of salvation] in the Scriptures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith.” — St. Irenaeus, Against Heresies (3.1.1)

@NewAntiquarian_ @DarthHarryson What am I wrong about?

@WriterJohnBuck @DarthHarryson You sound like a precocious 10 year old who thinks he’s clever and can’t admit he’s wrong.

The Bible does indeed teach that she is Θεοτόκος, so I'll grant the one with Scriptural certainty. The others I leave to one's own piety, though they be not dogmas 😉

@esj199 @ThoughtfulSaint ‘Being triune’ is not an essential attribute of divinity.

@WriterJohnBuck @ThoughtfulSaint Huh "The Son isn't the entirety of the trinity, so he isn't the fullness of God in that sense"

So God is not one things but 3 things. You can’t hold this view and hold to a coherent classical theism.

@NewAntiquarian_ @DarthHarryson But the angel doesn’t say that she is currently pregnant, but that she will become pregnant. If she was expecting to have sex with Joseph, she would assume that this pregnancy will come about as a result of that. But she is instead surprised to hear that she will become pregnant.

Just because Mary wasn’t having sex then doesn’t mean things wouldn’t change after she was married. Your argument sounds desperate. As it was used by St. Augustine, it discredits him as well. Bigger picture, the perpetual virginity of Mary idea is hardly benign. It diminishes and denigrates a holy married woman by saying she closed her marriage to life and did not give fully to her husband. It makes the Holy Family a terrible example, and promotes perverted ideas about sex. If it’s true, those who promote it engage in detraction. If false, calumny. Best to leave it alone.

@esj199 @ThoughtfulSaint What divine attribute do you think is left out?

@WriterJohnBuck @ThoughtfulSaint that other sense of fully being God

@NewAntiquarian_ @DarthHarryson If you were going to have sex with your husband and an angel told you that you would soon become pregnant, how is it a reasonable response to say ‘but I don’t have sex’?

In no way does Luke 1:34 imply that Mary took a vow of perpetual virginity. She was betrothed, but as is explicitly stated in the first chapter of Matthew, this was before they were married and moved in together. This is consistent with Mary’s response in the present tense, referring to her current state. This means they were not having intercourse at the time, not that it would never happen. If you read the first chapters of Matthew and Luke together the only reasonable interpretation is that Mary understood Gabriel’s statement to mean it would happen before she was fully married, and Joseph’s reaction confirms this. Your argument is foolish at best, and dishonest when employed by those who actually know better. It is the kind of thing that makes Catholics look like idiots, it tarnishes the Church’s reputation, and thus calls into question all Catholic teaching.

@thebluetruther @ThoughtfulSaint If omniscience is essential to divinity, and Jesus was not omniscient, then Jesus was not divine. Are you suggesting that omniscience is merely accidental to divinity? Or would you reject the notion that 'God became man', since what Jesus was while man was not really, fully God?

@ProvisionistP April fools is over, bruh.

“Please provide the chapter and verse that Jesus left us a Bible.” 1- Jesus is God | John 1:1 2- Scripture is God-breathed | 2 Tim 3:16 Need I say more…?

@thebluetruther @ThoughtfulSaint Fully God, yes.

@LonghornJoker @PTSPentax Exactly. If heavenly father was fully God without a prior God forming him into his spirit-body, then he's of a different kind from us, who do need a God to form us into our spirit bodies. If he did need a prior God to form him, this'd go on to infinity, thus no final explanation.

@PTSPentax 1. If God made you, even if it was from pre-existing intelligence (whatever that is) then you wouldn’t be eternally existent. 2. That would make God and man of two different species, which Mormonism says is false.

Joseph Smith said spirits were eternal and self-existent. That’s one of the problems I see in Mormonism; it makes God unnecessary.

@sjggraham The Marian apparitions. If Christianity is false (IE, Jesus was not raised from the dead) these are highly unlikely to have occurred, so the fact that they did is very strong evidence for the resurrection.

The single best argument or piece of evidence in your case for the resurrection......GO!

@DarthHarryson Queen of Heaven Rev 12:1,5 ...in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. ... She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations... (Mary gave birth to the king of kings, and as his mother stands as his queen)

@DarthHarryson Bodily assumption Matt 17:3 ...Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him. (Mary's death does not take place within the bible, but Moses and Elijah were assumed into heaven, so there is biblical precedent for God doing this to those he favors)

@LonghornJoker Objectively speaking, LDS theology contains many heresies. As do many protestant denominations. As Catholics we must embrace all truth, both within LDS and Protestantism, and oppose all falsehood in these sects.

Yeah, speaking as a Catholic…wouldn’t put Latter-day Saints on this list