@MaineRoadGhost @OBG_AFC in the real world or in his imagination?
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Alex Sarge
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Alex Sarge
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On the Bluemoon - Always.
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@OBG_AFC Without reading all the dribble when did City get found guilty of this?
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Long post but worth a read, especially the section "Proceeds of Crime Act"..
Putting the citeh115 crimes into perspective: let me know your thoughts:
If a standard UK business owner were found guilty of the specific list of offences attached to citeh115, they would be facing a combination of criminal prosecution, unlimited fines, and personal disqualification.
In the UK, these "irregularities" would be handled by HMRC (tax), Companies House (filing), and the Serious Fraud Office (SFO).
Here is how the law would likely come down on a UK business owner:
Financial Fraud & Disguised Funding.
Offence: "False Accounting" under the Theft Act 1968 or "Fraud by False Representation."
Punishment: An individual could face up to 7 to 10 years in prison. For the business entity, under the Economic Crime and Corporate Transparency Act, the punishment is an unlimited fine.
The Citeh115 angle: Disguising owner investment as revenue is effectively falsifying a balance sheet to deceive regulators or creditors.
Failure to Disclose Full Wages (Manager/Player Pay)
Offence: Tax Evasion and "Cheating the Public Revenue."
Punishment: This is one of the most serious financial crimes in the UK which can carry a life sentence in extreme cases (though 5–7 years is more common for high-value evasion).
Financial: HMRC typically issues a penalty of up to 200% of the tax that was owed, on top of the original bill.
The Citeh115 angle: Using "off-book" consultancy contracts to pay staff is seen as a deliberate attempt to avoid National Insurance and Income Tax.
Non-Cooperation with Investigations
Offence: Contempt of Court or Obstruction of Justice.
Punishment: If a business owner refuses to hand over documents requested by a regulator like the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA) or HMRC, they can be jailed for up to 2 years for contempt.
The Citeh115 angle: 35 counts of non-cooperation would be seen by a UK judge as a massive "aggravating factor," likely leading to the maximum possible sentencing for the other crimes.
Personal Consequences for the Owner:
The individual would likely be banned from being a company director or having anything to do with the management of a company for up to 15 years.
Proceeds of Crime Act (POCA): The government can seize assets (houses, cars, savings) that they believe were funded by the "criminal" activity (e.g., if the business grew specifically because of the fraudulent financial injections).
Regulatory & Industry Bans
Loss of Licenses: Just as a football club faces expulsion, a UK business would lose its licenses to operate.
So, the question remains: why has nothing been done for over 15 years? Why hasn't citeh115 moved to prove its innocence? I think we all know the answer.
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For those who stood on the Kippax!
Thegingerwig@thegingerwig
Went with the blue Kippax Street Clothing Company range coming soon!
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@RoderickOwain60 @TheGriftReport I’ll take your Ricky G and raise you Michael McIntyre.
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@TheGriftReport Ricky Gervais. Find him offensive and as funny as a wet fart.
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Last day of the Championship usually means one thing....goals and lots of them id be a bit careful if you are steaming in though there's about 3 or 4 games that have a lot resting on them and might be a bit tighter than normal hope there's plenty mind 👍👍
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@robertmcfc2171 @StePurpleHeart Yeah, that was a bit odd. Map reading not a strength I suppose.
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@StePurpleHeart According to the Southampton fans we all ‘live round the corner’ to Wembley
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When did all this empty seats start bollocks? Was it around when City started winning stuff? Or before then?
When I was kid no-one ever went on about anything like that. City were always one of the better supported sides. United the best in terms of numbers, but even....
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@RoderickOwain60 @Londonblue_2 Fair enough. Part of football an irrational dislike.
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@AlexSarge2 @Londonblue_2 Certain teams get my goat. Southampton, Horsham, Havant. All in the south! Once I get to dislike a team, it sticks!!
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@RoderickOwain60 @Londonblue_2 Strong words from you Owain. You’re not normally like that.
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@Londonblue_2 Hopefully we batter them and totally de rail their season. I hate Southampton.
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@SgtShow01 And won around £2bn in prize money amazing paid for the whole squad. What do you get for a couple plates and an FA cup?
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@njmcfc1894 Just take the three points Nick, I reckon. Sometimes that’s all you can do.
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@trevormfisher Can’t agree with this, for a change. It seemed a bad idea not to play him from minute one.
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For those moaning about Nico G not being picked to replace the injured Rodri, what we're missing in this game is Rodri's distribution and tempo setting, Nico G does not bring those to the game.
I love him, want him to stay 100% but this game ain't the case for him.
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@mellotrono @jamesdmorris It is, got to have that renewal whether you are paying them in milk-bottle tops or success linked contracts.
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@AlexSarge2 @jamesdmorris The iron discipline City have shown in one big earner (at least) leaving every year is one of the stories of the Guardiola era. We’ll be ripping the plaster off with Bernie, Stones and Ake soon. Three brilliant players. At least two with more to offer. But we know it’s time
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“last season, the difference between United and City’s player wage bill was literally at least equal to the cost of 15.5 players earning 200k a week.”
This is really worth reading on City’s financial power
The Swedish Rumble 🔰@SwedishRumble
‼️A few extremely important notes to this: 🔺 It is — total wages — payed to all employees. Man City has a very slim organization since they buy different services from City Football Group (which is a general cost, not a wage). Man Utd on the other hand still have a behemoth of an organization with many expensive employees to handle NYSE listing requirements etc. So while City’s wage bill is “just” £140m more expensive than United’s (ie equal to 14 players earning 200k a week) the real difference in player wage bill is closer to £180m. 🔺It is often said that these high wage bills are just bonuses. But this is the wage bill City has when finishing 3rd in the PL and losing in the R16 of the CL. Liverpool played in the Europa League in 23/24, and their wage bill was still £402m. £80m more than United’s last season when United went to the finals of the EL. So this enormous difference between the wage bills of City/Liverpool and United has nothing to do with bonuses. With the exact same results — the gap is £100-150m in player wages. 🔺I have posted about these things for years, because it was getting no coverage. People still thought Utd had high wages due to Capology which is just random guesses. But I still don’t think people realize just how big the difference is. Like last season, the difference between United and City’s player wage bill was literally at least equal to the cost of 15.5 players earning 200k a week. And if you take into account wages for non players, and it’s over 18 players on 200k a week. 200k a week is 10.4m a year. 180m is 18 players on 200k a week. Again — this is when City is finishing 3rd and losing in the “play in” in the CL. I’ll repeat it — their player wage bill exceeded United’s with a cost equal to 15.5-18 players on 200k a week. How many pundits following United/the PL do you guys think have grasped this? I called @AndyMitten out for not pressuring Berrada about this in the interview before the season. How can anyone seriously think United can compete being this far behind financially? They claim that they believe it’s realistic to win a title in two years. 🔺Then people think we have a realistic chance of winning a transfer race for an Antoine Semenyo. Elliot Anderson? I heard Ben Jacobs say that money won’t matter for Anderson, it’s all about the project. Facts are that both these players will earn about 37.5-50m more over 5 years signing with Liverpool or City. That is generational wealth for all your family and relatives… it takes a lot leave that on the table. 🔺Pep sat at a presser like a month ago talking about “net spend”. City Football Group invests many many hundred of millions a year to produce young talent each year that can be sold for 75-100m to bring down Pep’s net spend. Last summer Bobb, McAtee, Couto and Perrone went for 100m. Facts are that it’s simply absurd and purely dishonest by Pep to claim that City doesn’t have 1.5x the resources of anyone else in the PL besides Liverpool.
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@DomFarrell1986 @AmosMurphy_ Also, Amos managed to use a lot less words than Sid’s post to refute the basis of the premise, and in a more considered fashion. 👍
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@DomFarrell1986 @AmosMurphy_ I’m nearly as intrigued about Dom’s ability to get a reply in and get this strand of conversation going as I am about Sid’s word salad.
I’m not sure his in-depth experience of Spanish football is helping him here (Sid that is).
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This definitely feels like Sid and plenty of others might like to dig a little deeper into, ooohh, I don't know... identity and meaning in the rise of the modern Manchester City.
So, if I may shamelessly piggyback...
bitebackpublishing.com/books/glory-da…
Sid Lowe@sidlowe
Have wondered about this. Here’s my theory: I think it’s sort of the opposite. But it is born, at least in part, in the place you’re talking about. I don’t think it’s love; I think it’s a kind of indifference. By which I mean, it’s like City don’t count and people — who see them (whether rightly or wrongly) as operating on a different plane and with different rules etc — are kind of resigned to them and have reached an acceptance. So, for fans of teams like, say, Liverpool or (even) United (despite being rivals in Manchester), if City win the league: shrug, yeah, whatever, what you gonna do? If this year Arsenal or in previous years Liverpool win the league — who you are competing with on the same level, who are your peers/challengers, for want of a better word, whose title win would be as good as yours would have been — it actually does hurt and it does mean something. It’s a “real” title win…and thus, by extension, a real title loss for your team. And I suspect that goes beyond just fans of those teams too to become more generalized. I know, I know, plenty of people will really dislike this, from both sides of the argument, and I might have to hide from the @s now as they all shout at me, but it’s about people’s perceptions and I reckon there’s something in that. Anyway, sorry: a long tweet. Just a theory.
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@mellotrono @jamesdmorris If they believe that United paying accountants to make SEC registrations is causing them to miss on top players, then yes, they are just seeing whatever see. The alternative argument is that City need senior players to leave to free up wages, but that’s not in their sights.
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@jamesdmorris Obvious caveat - City players are paid huge sums and the ownership has at times pushed the rules to their limits. But aren’t people seeing what they want to see?
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@notreallyere @RoderickOwain60 Impossible to look beyond that belter.
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@RoderickOwain60 Pollock all day every day. He did it with the elegance and style of Ronaldinho
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I can't fathom out a mistake by a City player that was worse than another. I'm torn between Jamie Pollock's own goal v QPR, Kyle Walker's error v Wigan in the FA Cup, Walker v Sheffield United or Corluka V Spurs. What's your biggest error?
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@onioncityblues @thegingerwig That was a highlight of the game, the catching of the corner.
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@thegingerwig Yep. Quinny came out and caught the ball from the resulting corner too
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Who was there for this one?
Just before I started going
When Football Was Better@FootballInT80s
20/04/1991: The 10 men of Manchester City beat Derby County 2-1 at Maine Road. Goalkeeper Tony Coton got sent off and in true retro style an outfield player went in goal. The first thing striker Niall Quinn did was make a fantastic penalty save from Dean Saunders.
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@bailey_wynne2 Agreed with that. Awful to live through but that’s the point of live sport.
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At times, these games are awful to experience live, but you absolutely want to be involved rather than on the outside.
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@BrownCcfc @MisterTedious @deanoshoes @BladeoftheS Yes, because most people aren’t bothered. A one day rush isn’t what you think it is.
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@MisterTedious @deanoshoes @BladeoftheS 😝
As soon as Apple announces a new phone or Samsung there queues around corner on launch days.
Do you honestly think this stop them ?
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The EU now requires all Mobile Phones to be sold with easily replaceable and standardised batteries, as they used to be.
From 2027 they all will be again, in Europe.
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@DalaiPalmerMCR @MUFC_redarmy99 Cause he’s a bellend trying to get likes.
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