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@rawakefield46 Remarriage after death is not adultery Murderers should be executed…

Murder is not a grounds or exception for divorce. Neither is spousal abuse grounds for the same.

@MillerMitsu @AmyInCheeseLand “All scripture is given by inspiration of God…”

@AmyInCheeseLand Paul in his Epistles clearly differentiates between his own personal opinion and which things are Holy Ghost inspired. His epistles contain both. The problem is some folks give too much weight to things that are clearly his opinions.

Beth Moore preached a Sunday sermon at Josh Howerton’s Lakepointe (SBC) Church on Mother’s Day in May of 2021. She has preached to men many, many times. Don’t let her tweet today fool you into thinking she’s against women preaching to men.

@DavidCFreeman @johnpauldickson Hagar named God?! He named Himself You made the comment about Adam and Eve being given authority over creation. It was just Adam. Adam took the blame for sin because he’s the authority. You don’t hold the helpmeet responsible for the leaders actions…

@AmericnChristn @johnpauldickson What is your point about naming the animals? Hagar named God, so be careful what you conclude about Adam. And if men are responsible for sin, then what qualifies them to lead? It your illogical conclusions that are the problem, not the plain reading of Scripture.

Why some of us can rejoice in women “pastors” even if we pretty much disagree with the idea. First, take a less fraught example: baptism. Suppose you’re 80% convinced the Bible endorses only believer’s baptism, not infant baptism. That still means you think there’s a half-decent chance you could be wrong. Since this is a matter of church order rather than morality, perhaps that possibility should be enough to let you attend the baptism of your friends’ infant child and even find some joy in it. After all, there’s a meaningful chance this practice is biblical, as many thoughtful, biblically serious Christians believe. Likewise, suppose you’re 80% convinced the Bible restricts women from doing pastor-like things. That still means you think there’s a half-decent chance you could be wrong. Since this too is a matter of church order rather than morality, perhaps that possibility should be enough to let you sit under the preaching and ministry of a gifted woman and maybe even find some blessing in it. After all, there’s a meaningful chance this too is biblical, as many thoughtful, biblically serious Christians believe. At least, that’s how I’ve come to think about it.

@PhilMiller2911 @johnpauldickson Yes they should be removed. Maybe, if we followed scripture, we wouldn’t have so many failed elders and churches

@AmericnChristn @johnpauldickson I’d also that I rarely see the other moral qualifications of an elder taken seriously after the fact. How many elders in churches are quarrelsome, not violent, not lovers of money, etc. Do we hold them accountable if their children fall away, which Paul specifically mentions.

@PhilMiller2911 @johnpauldickson They should be held to the standard, all of it.

@AmericnChristn @johnpauldickson It also says he must see that his children, plural, obey him, so does this literally mean the father of an only child is excluded? Are single men or married childless men excluded? I never see these guidelines applied literally.

@DavidCFreeman @ajfworship @johnpauldickson God gave Adam the responsibility to name the animals. Eve wasn’t even there. The responsibility for sin falls on Adam. You need to read scripture as it’s written, not with modern thinking

@AmericnChristn @ajfworship @johnpauldickson God gave both Adam and Eve responsibility for creation. That is the foundational principle of leadership in Scripture - the creation order. And Jesus defines a leader as a servant, not as a boss. God did not make men the bosses of women and men sin when they boss women.

@Aztryak @jackabeans2895 When was the command to multiply given?

@jackabeans2895 I agree with you, the only reasoning behind is argument is the commandment of God for us to multiply. And 2 children is not multiplying, it's just replacing. But the Church agrees that not everyone can afford multiple children either. If you can afford it, you should do more yes

There’s literally nothing in the Bible that says you must have more than two children or you’re sinning. Please stop adding this kind of stuff to your relationship with the Lord it’s so dumb. He’s not going to turn you away because you only had a kid or two.

@Farmboy1972 @DavidAn1611 @farmingandJesus Thus the “we’ve become weak” part

@AmericnChristn @DavidAn1611 @farmingandJesus We expect everyone to obey the law of the land, which is-in my opinion-based on God’s law in many cases. However, much to my displeasure, we don’t have laws against fornication, sodomy, adultery, so we have no expectation that they would follow God’s law on those things

My ex husband who is in prison did this to me. Close to the end he bashed my head on a brick wall and I ended up in the hospital. Why? I couldn’t find him for 3 days after he got off his shift as a fireman (YES A FIREMAN!) and I was angry when he strolled into the house. He was out doing cocaine and having affairs (that was my grounds for divorce I guess) but I didn’t need that. I wasn’t going to be abused sexually , physically, and horrendously verbally for another moment I would not have lived…. I wasn’t a Christian at the time but I divorced him. Divorce is not the unforgivable sin.

@DavidCFreeman @ajfworship @johnpauldickson You still don’t make sense. God ordained male leadership. Just because some women may do well at it doesn’t make it right.

@AmericnChristn @ajfworship @johnpauldickson Not”what” but “Who” - I am talking about Jesus and his teaching about leadership. Hint: read the four gospels.

@Farmboy1972 @DavidAn1611 @farmingandJesus So we do expect them to obey God’s Law. We’ve just become weak and don’t expect them, or in many cases ourselves, to obey all of it.

@DavidAn1611 @AmericnChristn @farmingandJesus Certainly our legal system is based on the things that are eternally true by God's divine standard. We've chosen to enforce those things you've mentioned and others in our legal system. We could choose to enforce adultery or others of God's standards and that would be fine.

@coconservative7 I said “treat” not execute…

@AmericnChristn Murder should be punishable by death. But the fact that some of it isn't doesn't mean we can avenge ourselves or others as we see fit.

A spouse who murders a child may justify marital separation and make reconciliation practically impossible. But Scripture distinguishes separation from the right to remarry. Even horrific sins do not automatically dissolve the marriage covenant itself. Jesus uniquely permits divorce for sexual immorality (Matt. 19:9), because sexual sin directly violates the one-flesh nature of marriage in a way other sins do not.

@Farmboy1972 @farmingandJesus God does…

@AmericnChristn @farmingandJesus Context is important. My response was addressing the standards we should expect from people who don’t believe in God as it pertains to when or why they get divorced. They live by the standards of the world. I don’t expect them to live by God’s standards.

@DavidCFreeman @ajfworship @johnpauldickson What are you taking about?

@AmericnChristn @ajfworship @johnpauldickson Which is exactly how Paul described himself. How quickly we forget Jesus’ teaching on leadership as we defend men leading by their authority instead of leading by their service. If you believe women should be servants, then make them leaders, because they are most qualified.

@Keekeebooks There is no biblical prohibition against it.

@ajfworship @joekanyou @johnpauldickson I never said that.

@joekanyou @AmericnChristn @johnpauldickson To argue that 1 Cor 14:34 is a blank prohibition on all speech by all women disregards not only the context and earlier admonitions of 1 Cor, but the prophetic promise of the pouring out of the Spirit on men and women. Paul is against unruly speech, not all speech.

@ajfworship @johnpauldickson My lens aligns with the rest of scripture…

@AmericnChristn @johnpauldickson Suffice it say, I think you want to read descriptions through the lens of what you interpret the prescription to be, while I want to allow the descriptions to inform what I interpret the prescription to be.

@ItsAaronRich The pagans who rejected their Messiah, Christ, the root word for Christian, who are also the reason a new covenant was made, understand covenant theology better? 🙄 Christians may not be doing it right, but don’t hold up jews as an example! (Born again Jews being the exception)

Marriage is not meant to be merely personal romance. When lived within the life of faith, it participates in the redemption story of covenant love between heaven and earth. The Jewish people grasp this concept at a deep level. We’ve lost it within Christianity.

@ajfworship @johnpauldickson I’ve already addressed Phoebe The other two are mentioned in conjunction with their husbands and they’re ministries. Non of them are mentioned as elders or in leadership in the church.

@AmericnChristn @johnpauldickson Paul names multiple women as co-workers in his greetings to church leadership including Phoebe, Junia, and Priscilla.

@ajfworship @johnpauldickson What witness? The one woman?

@AmericnChristn @johnpauldickson I think the witness of the NT contradicts *your interpretation* of a particular verse, not that the bible contradicts itself. I think the descriptive bits can help us interpret the prescriptive bits well.