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rami@fresh_curryleav·2h

@Flo_Albright @hriengaalkn the point is many trans ppl aren't disabled and don't need to use accessible toilet, they're being forced to. Like you're disabled, use the accessible toilets, don't support policies that push other ppl from using other facilities. It's not hard to understand

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Hriengaalkn⚧️🏇🏼🐴🐺@hriengaalkn·18h

So the UK is essentially forcing trans people to use the disabled toilets and people are blaming trans people for this? News flash. Yes. Some trans people ARE also disabled. Expecting able bodied trans people to use facilities set aside for the disabled only puts more pressure

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Florence Albright@Flo_Albright·2h

@star_observer Amnesty’s main complaint in this report is that women’s rights orgs are better at campaigning than they are and do it on a shoe string budget.

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Star Observer@star_observer·1d

A new report from Amnesty International UK has alleged that anti-trans organisations are exerting growing influence over British politics and media, warning that negative coverage of trans issues has become disproportionate to the size of the community. starobserver.com.au/news/internati…

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Florence Albright@Flo_Albright·2h

@adhib @star_observer The entire report basically complains that women’s rights organisations have the same campaigning approach as Amnesty, but are funded on a shoe string and are better at it than far better funded trans rights orgs.

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Adam Hibbert@adhib·1d

@star_observer And why is this tendentious nonsense the concern of Amnesty International, a charity set-up to facilitate citizens writing to repressive regimes to encourage the release of political prisoners? 'cos it's lost its way and been subsumed into the Omnicause. Women are 51% of us, btw

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Florence Albright@Flo_Albright·3h

@RayAlexWilliams With the levels of gas lighting we’ve all had to put up with on this issue for the last few years, it’s a wonder we’re not all neurotic and batshit - even if we weren’t when it started.

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Ray Alex Williams@RayAlexWilliams·11h

Out of millions of trans women, GC feminists love to pick out the most deranged and perverted as representative of all trans women but hate it when men do the same by pointing out how many cluster B, neurotic, batshit, irrational women exist within their own ranks of feminists.

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Florence Albright@Flo_Albright·11h

@galluslass @louderry Customer services link - I used the Store Feedback option. marksandspencer.com/help-and-suppo…

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Teajenny@galluslass·11h

@Flo_Albright @louderry I’d like to speak to those in charge of M&S as to their reasons behind their downgrade on customer service/customer experience

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Lou D🌹 🇬🇧 🇺🇦@louderry·17h

Women wanted single lockable changing rooms and toilets, thats exactly what M&S has provided.

Colchester @marksandspencer breaking the law? Ideological activist staff enforcing the illegality.

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Florence Albright@Flo_Albright·11h

@galluslass @louderry I also wanted to know. Not least because my local store has three changing rooms, so keeping two separate sex and having one gender neutral seems more proportionate. I contacted them through their website to ask. Suggest anyone impacted does same, if they have bandwidth to do so

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Florence Albright@Flo_Albright·11h

@fiona_emm @TheVikingDane Yes, fully enclosed facilties cause their own issues. They are also much larger than single sex and need a large area to open onto, so more expensive to provide. Toilets come with H&S risks as if people collapse in them, you can’t see them as easily as cubicles.

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fiona_emm@fiona_emm·12h

@Flo_Albright @TheVikingDane True. I was doing the simple version. Though having seen the videos posted by various pervs, I'm not sure how acceptable the single-person all-function cubicle really is.

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TheVikingDane@TheVikingDane·16h

Sorry, I am going to ask a maybe daft question - please don't shout at me. What does the law say about gender neutral spaces? Asking in good faith.

Abouterf@Abouterf197543

Colchester @marksandspencer I asked where the women’s changing room was to try on swimwear. Manager Andrew (he/ his /him) says gender neutral changing areas are “completely safe” for women and girls. For asking him this question, he told me to leave the store. @SexMattersOrg

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Florence Albright@Flo_Albright·11h

@galluslass @louderry Ditto. Also, when you crack open the door and hand a wrong size item to the assistant and ask for another size. It’s not just about voyeurs and assault. It’s privacy and dignity too. It’s normal to be embarrassed about being undressed in front of opp sex.

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Teajenny@galluslass·12h

@Flo_Albright @louderry It is for me - women and girls had a space before to chat to female staff, come out of the cubicles for a better look in larger mirrors - ask for help with awkward zips and getting different sizes without getting fully redressed. With no men about

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Florence Albright@Flo_Albright·11h

@lowercaselevity @AlessandraAster Yeah, that’s a better way to put it.

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lowercase@lowercaselevity·11h

@Flo_Albright @AlessandraAster nearly. "equality before law" is what treats everyone the same. the equality act is actually exceptions to this principal where you're allowed to legally discriminate. in this case you can discriminate by sex to create single-sex spaces. otherwise i agree.

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Alessandra Asteriti 𒊩@AlessandraAster·12h

I am not sure this is the case. The Equality Act could have said that the sex exceptions are designed to avoid direct and indirect sex discrimination. But it does not. The most it says is that someone could reasonably object or the service would be less effective.

@Dina_Shakti @Gillian_Philip @Abouterf197543 @marksandspencer @SexMattersOrg Also, @marksandspencer, have you properly considered this aspect of the new Code of Practice - which says that if only gender neutral is provided, it may be indirect discrimination against women. Women are your main customers, have you taken this into consideration?

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Florence Albright@Flo_Albright·11h

@lowercaselevity @AlessandraAster M&S appear to be suffering some sort of corporate amnesia about the many reasons why single sex CR work best in most situations and that’s what the majority need. EHRC guidance explains that being in a state of undress is one of the reasons likely to make single sex legitimate.

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lowercase@lowercaselevity·12h

@AlessandraAster this is the part of the guidance that i didn't quite follow. my limited understanding was that solely unisex provisions are fine where every toilet or changing cubicle is a complete private lockable room that caters to both sexes.

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Florence Albright@Flo_Albright·12h

@AlessandraAster This is directly from the EHRC’s draft Code of Practice. It’s in the section on Justifications for Single Sep & Single Sex Services . I wrote to M&S recently and they said they were waiting for it to be laid to consider all their responsibilities.

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Florence Albright@Flo_Albright·13h

@Bornawoman99 @TheVikingDane Cubicles do not meet Building Regs requirements for mixed sex provision. I agree that properly configured gender neutral provision may be legal in some circumstances.

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Bella Vida@Bornawoman99·14h

@Flo_Albright @TheVikingDane And their solution was to offer cubicles with solid lockable doors not curtains. Look, I’m not a fan of their mixed sex changing rooms- I’m just saying they haven’t broken the law by having them.

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Florence Albright@Flo_Albright·13h

@DavisEmily18945 @Dina_Shakti @Gillian_Philip @Abouterf197543 @marksandspencer @SexMattersOrg Yes. A lot of organisations have not considered all needs and gone for one-size-fits all when they actually have a wide demographic to consider.

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Emily Davis@DavisEmily18945·13h

@Flo_Albright @Dina_Shakti @Gillian_Philip @Abouterf197543 @marksandspencer @SexMattersOrg I wish someone would point this out to theatres. So many trying to be ‘inclusive’ with mixed sex toilets and putting women at risk 😔

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Abouterf@Abouterf197543·1d

Colchester @marksandspencer I asked where the women’s changing room was to try on swimwear. Manager Andrew (he/ his /him) says gender neutral changing areas are “completely safe” for women and girls. For asking him this question, he told me to leave the store. @SexMattersOrg

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Florence Albright@Flo_Albright·13h

@SilentSkyZero @Abouterf197543 @pacer142 @marksandspencer @SexMattersOrg The guidance covers all of EA2010, not just Sex and GR. Finding the right solution for service customers; within whatever business constraints they have is not straightforward. It requires careful analysis. You will see contradictions if you don’t read it holistically.

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Florence Albright@Flo_Albright·15h

@SilentSkyZero @Abouterf197543 @pacer142 @marksandspencer @SexMattersOrg The guidance does explain the “contradictions” you mention. These are copy and paste rage bait from trans organisations. The guidance basically says there are MANY needs you need to consider. For a large org to decide there is only one solution to all these needs is… strange.

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Florence Albright@Flo_Albright·14h

@NT78stonewobble @hehimta This is exactly what the EHRC CoP says. Consider ALL needs and offer a diversity of provision. A large shop like most M&S stores are is able to do this.

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NT78stonewobble@NT78stonewobble·17h

@hehimta Why don't they just have womens, mens and gender neutral ones though? I mean, trans people aren't perverts that wouldn't respect sex separated intimate spaces and sports, right?

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Simon John@hehimta·18h

More evidence as to why M&S is explicitly chasing younger shoppers (as per their CEO). Who has the patience for this geriatric bigoted nonsense in the form of a showdown on their shop floors every other month? TERFs are a constant nuisance to public spaces.

Abouterf@Abouterf197543

Colchester @marksandspencer I asked where the women’s changing room was to try on swimwear. Manager Andrew (he/ his /him) says gender neutral changing areas are “completely safe” for women and girls. For asking him this question, he told me to leave the store. @SexMattersOrg

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Florence Albright@Flo_Albright·14h

@Dina_Shakti @Gillian_Philip @Abouterf197543 @marksandspencer @SexMattersOrg Also, @marksandspencer, have you properly considered this aspect of the new Code of Practice - which says that if only gender neutral is provided, it may be indirect discrimination against women. Women are your main customers, have you taken this into consideration?

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Dina Shakti 🇬🇧 🇱🇰@Dina_Shakti·18h

@Abouterf197543 @marksandspencer @SexMattersOrg Hey @marksandspencer would your public liability insurance cover you for breaking the law if women take legal action against you? Where would you stand legally if a woman or girl had her privacy, dignity violated or safety compromised?

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Florence Albright@Flo_Albright·14h

@SnifflyPanda So long as they’ve done an Equalities Impact Assessment and can show that their demographic needs GN, not single sex. I’ve never heard a middle age lady complain she doesn’t like single sex changing rooms and would like gender neutral, so I’d guess they haven’t done this.

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