@gfodor @anotheranarch That is my main reason for red, and I have not seen a single rebuttal
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@anotheranarch I don’t think my son would have survived if this was done in the real world, the blues would be highly concentrated in wealthy countries and would be wiped out
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Verdict: 8 year old says red, 6 year old said blue because he thought it was a trick question since it would be dumb to have red be such an obviously correct choice
gfodor.id@gfodor
Tonight me and my kids are gonna have The Talk (about the buttons)
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@WokeFDR I absolutely believe that >90% would pick red in a real life scenario.
Self preservation is just too strong, especially in third world countries where societal cohesion is lower.
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“Just pick red” is not what would happen. Everybody would not pick red. Blue is by far the most rational option unless you for some reason think >50% of the population would defect
Carl@HistoryBoomer
I think people are choosing "blue" because then they can feel noble, but in the real world, with their life on the line, they'd press red. I'd certainly press red! Just have the whole world press red, and nobody dies!
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@Froooooosh @Zombieshoot @CptAncapistan @questionableway So it would be easier for families to vote red together to ensure their survival. Why are we automatically assuming kids will all pick blue?
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@Gnizzll69 @Zombieshoot @CptAncapistan @questionableway Idk why everyone thinks India would be so biased towards red. The average Indian family unit is much larger and closer than the average American family unit. If you’ve ever talked to any Indian parents about their eldest sons, you know they’re voting whatever it takes for them
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@Queueueue_ @TeaNoSugar1987 @way_opener This is what the western world would do. What about India? Africans? Muslims? Enemies of the west?
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Amazing tension between “being rational involves considering second and third-order effects” vs “I will simply make the most rational decision by refusing to consider second and third-order effects because those are someone else’s problem”
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One 5th round pick has to be one of the lowest overall values invested into an offensive draft class in the history of the NFL.
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@breakingbaht That is my reason why I go red. I have told over half a dozen accounts my reasoning and only 1 replied. We are outnumbered, and many don't know by how much.
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This is all just layers and layers of white people's toxic self deprecation.
This entire debate is alien to most non-white groups. Virtually all would press red and then shake their heads at the hordes of dead whites and look at you like an alien for all this crippling self indulgent moralizing as they all went along perfectly fine and healthy.
Fletcher Dunn@ZPostFacto
If Blue lost, after all the "credulous suckers" were killed, expect mass red suicides from the loss of loved ones who made the "mistake" of chosing empathy. "My vote wouldnt have changed the outcome" or "they made an illogical choice" would only salve the truly hardest heart.
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@libertymind_ @archived_videos @plasmarob I just dont think there's enough honest blue voters to get to 50% in the world.
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@archived_videos @plasmarob I think red is rational, but the question becomes if it’s more likely for 50% of people to be irrational or 100% to be rational. It’s probably the former, but the probability of both becomes so low that self survival is still a factor. To be honest, idk in the real scenario.
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@M_R_Indy @plasmarob People that convince as many people as possible to choose red over blue are the only ones with morality and ethics.
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Lots of "i choose red but i understand blues"
Lots of "i choose blue, round up the reds"
realizing there are moral people on both sides
realizing the worst people might be... blues?
plasma ۞@plasmarob
Lots of "i choose blue but i understand reds" Lots of "i choose red, fuck the blues"
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@M_R_Indy @plasmarob I agree, many third worlders, Indians, and followers of Islam have no morals or ethics (they'd overwhelmingly vote red)
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@plasmarob People that vote red have abandoned morality and ethics.
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@plasmarob I hate being lunped in w the second group when I'm "i choose red only if every breathing individual has a vote". I don't believe blue would reach the 4.2 billion threshold this that is the case.
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Before you answer the button thing you have to try to explain it to your mom or grandmother
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@keysmashbandit I did and they said "wow voting blue is stupid. It's like lemmings off a cliff. Indians and Africans would overwhelmingly vote red, so you are at a huge numbers disadvantage already voting blue."
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@BigPhoenix6741 @ChrisPacia If it was just like 1 country gets 1 vote, then probably blue would win, its just again, too many wouldn't see blues reason and vote red.
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@Gnizzll69 @ChrisPacia I agree re:India
On the contrary side, I think that most of the far East Asian countries select vast majority blue
The question is posed as pro-social vs anti-social - highly socialized nations like China and Malaysia will be super blue.
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If your goal is to minimize the number of deaths, organizing everyone around blue doesn't guarantee that you minimize it.
While it has a lower threshold, true, 50% may be unattainable. In which case organizing everyone around blue MAXIMIZES deaths rather than minimizing them.
James Medlock@jdcmedlock
If you want to avoid needless death, you have two options to coordinate around. Blue has a 50% threshold and red has a 100% threshold. Only one of these is actually feasible…
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@BigPhoenix6741 @ChrisPacia Which i do agree, but all we need is 4.2 billion reds for blue to be obsolete. India if 1 billion votes red (maybe 80%) you're a quarter of the way there. I just think there's too many who will vote red w/o a second thought (3rd world mainly)
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This is the crux of the misunderstanding.
The questions is NOT whether you will save yourself at the expense of others. No one has to die in order for you to live.
This is asking whether you think people have the personal responsibility to avoid needless risk to themselves.
Strawbærry Narwhal ‽↙↙↙@unvarnishedvoid
@NCyotee there is no emotional blackmail there is no communication between people. this isnt a suicide. and any rewording to make it so kills the original experiment. its simply asking if you would save yourself at the expense of others or if you would save others.
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@moontes13 @NCyotee Sounds good buddy, enjoy your night. My loved ones arent virtuous enough to sacrifice their life for moral points. So we will live as horrible people or something while you die with, dignity? Righteousness?
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@Gnizzll69 @NCyotee Anyone that makes this decision without immediately considering people they love besides themselves is just telling on themselves
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@shlevy Would you please explain why you are so convinced that Western cultures would engage in a low-trust decision-making process?
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No amount of telling me how awful it would be if 49% of the world died or how virtuous it is for soldiers to die in battle is sufficient to change my expectation of what would actually happen if we did this. You need different arguments.
Shea Levy@shlevy
@TiltAtGiants You can’t guilt me into thinking I’m wrong about that prediction. You have to actually show me how it could happen otherwise.
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@AndrewB95142494 @whitesundesert If they actually sat back and thought, they should advise more go red to minimize deaths, cus if we use the whole globe, blue isn't winning
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@whitesundesert Pick Red. Others pick Red. We all stay happy.
But it’s too much for the muppets who can’t signal how willing they are to risk death to help completely anonymous strangers.
This isn’t like risking life and limb to save someone nearby. This is a zero stakes choice. And yet…
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This is why government services are set up to cater for extreme hypothetical edge cases which trigger an emotional response at the expense of the overwhelming majority of ordinary cases.
just matt@questionableway
red is an unbelievably phenomenally disgustingly selfish decision and i do not have theory of mind for anyone who would choose it
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@moontes13 @NCyotee And when its a quick decision with no outside influence, life/death situation, more % will go red just due to the situation alone.
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@moontes13 @NCyotee For 1st world countries, yes, but for 3rd worldsrs,I don't think they'll understand the question, Indians w their caste system hates other darker than them, 40% of them fo red, all US votes are null even if everyone went blue. Enemies of the west would go red cus west will go blu
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