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Halikaarnian

@Halikaarn1an

Max human agency + autonomy // "All true wealth is biological"// prev @tloncorporation // cofounder @octuventures + @humandirected

San Francisco Katılım Temmuz 2016
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Oh you’re a fan of venture capital? What’s your favorite old (ideally out of print) book on the asset class? I’ll start…
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Paul Novosad@paulnovosad·
A useful way to evaluate a product is "does anyone want to be this person?" Smoking is addicting, but a person could reasonably say "I don't mind being a person who smokes." Nobody wants to be a person who loses $5000 a year playing bingo alone on their phone. These companies are pure predation
Paul Novosad@paulnovosad

Ordinary people can't compete when companies have teams of psychologists trying to hack into their gray matter. This business is too dangerous to be run by the private sector.

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Lee Edwards
Lee Edwards@terronk·
DSA Supervisor @JackieFielder_ is back on her bullshit. She wants to ban all R&D in the Mission, and it looks like she's going to get away with it bc the rest of the BoS isn't paying attention. Sorry this has to be a thread, but it's fucking insane and you need to know details.
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Fred Ehrsam
Fred Ehrsam@FEhrsam·
GLP-1s are the first of many trillion-dollar enhancement drugs that will begin as medical treatments
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Andy Masley
Andy Masley@AndyMasley·
It is honestly alarming to me that stuff like this, the idea that we ought to significantly delay curing cancer exclusively to give human researchers the personal gratification of finding it without AI, is being taken seriously at conferences
Julian Togelius@togelius

I was at an event on AI for science yesterday, a panel discussion here at NeurIPS. The panelists discussed how they plan to replace humans at all levels in the scientific process. So I stood up and protested that what they are doing is evil. Look around you, I said. The room is filled with researchers of various kinds, most of them young. They are here because they love research and want to contribute to advancing human knowledge. If you take the human out of the loop, meaning that humans no longer have any role in scientific research, you're depriving them of the activity they love and a key source of meaning in their lives. And we all want to do something meaningful. Why, I asked, do you want to take the opportunity to contribute to science away from us? My question changed the course of the panel, and set the tone for the rest of the discussion. Afterwards, a number of attendees came up to me, either to thank me for putting what they felt into words, or to ask if I really meant what I said. So I thought I would return to the question here. One of the panelists asked whether I would really prefer the joy of doing science to finding a cure for cancer and enabling immortality. I answered that we will eventually cure cancer and at some point probably be able to choose immortality. Science is already making great progress with humans at the helm. We'll get fusion power and space travel some day as well. Maybe cutting humans out of the loop could speed up this process, but I don't think it would be worth it. I think it is of crucial importance that we humans are in charge of our own progress. Expanding humanity's collective knowledge is, I think, the most meaningful thing we can do. If humans could not usefully contribute to science anymore, this would be a disaster. So, no. I do not think it worth it to find a cure for cancer faster if that means we can never do science again. Many of those who came up to talk to me last night, those who asked me whether I was being serious or just trolling, thought that the premise was absurd. Of course there would always be room for humans in science. There will always be tasks only humans can do, insight only humans have, and so on. Therefore, we should welcome AI. Research is hard, and we need all the help we can get. I responded that I hoped they were right. That is, I truly hope there will always be parts of the research process which humans will be essential for. But what I was arguing against was not what we might call "weak science automation", where humans stay in the loop in important roles, but "strong science automation", where humans are redundant. Others thought it was immature to argue about this, because full science automation is not on the horizon. Again, I hope they are right. But I see no harm in discussing it now. And I certainly don't think we need research on science automation to go any further. Yet others remarked that this was a pointless argument. Science automation is coming whether we want it or not, and we'd better get used to it. The train is coming, and we can get on it or stand in its way. I think that is a remarkably cowardly argument. It is up to us as a society to decide how we use the technology we develop. It's not a train, it's a truck, and we'd better grab the steering wheel. One of the panelists made a chess analogy, arguing that lots of people play chess even though computers are now much better than humans at chess. So we might engage in science as a kind of hobby, even though the real science is done by computers. We would be playing around far from the frontier, perhaps filling in the blanks that AI systems don't care about. That was, to put it mildly, not a satisfying answer. While I love games, I certainly do not consider game-playing as meaningful as advancing human knowledge. Thanks, but no thanks. Overall, though, it was striking that most of those I talked to thanked me for raising the point, as I articulated worries that they already had. One of them remarked that if you work on automating science and are not even a little bit worried about the end goal, you are a psychopath. I would add that another possibility is that you don't really believe in what you are doing. Some might ask why I make this argument about science and not, for example, about visual art, music, or game design. That's because yesterday's event was about AI for science. But I think the same argument applies to all domains of human creative and intellectual expression. Making human intellectual or creative work redundant is something we should avoid when we can, and we should absolutely avoid it if there are no equally meaningful new roles for humans to transition into. You could further argue that working on cutting humans out of meaningful creative work such as scientific research is incredibly egoistic. You get the intellectual satisfaction of inventing new AI methods, but the next generation don't get a chance to contribute. Why do you want to rob your children (academic and biological) of the chance to engage in the most meaningful activity in the world? So what do I believe in, given that I am an AI researcher who actively works on the kind of AI methods used for automating science? I believe that AI tools that help us be more productive and creative are great, but that AI tools that replace us are bad. I love science, and I am afraid of a future where we are pushed back into the dark ages because we can no longer contribute to science. Human agency, including in creative processes, is vital and must be safeguarded at almost any cost. I don't exactly know how to steer AI development and AI usage so that we get new tools but are not replaced. But I know that it is of paramount importance.

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Halikaarnian@Halikaarn1an·
@neallseth Completely true and a damning indictment of Luma, made worse by the fact that Luma handles paid ticketing well and is less buggy than other event apps. Really not sure what insane product/growth decisions led to allowing the out of control levels of email spam.
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Halikaarnian@Halikaarn1an·
@gbrl_dick Yes, quantitatively more effective, but I think much of the power of (televangelists, romance novels) was that desperate enough people imagine it as speaking directly to them. "Psychic vulnerability to slop" is nothing new.
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Gabriel
Gabriel@gbrl_dick·
@Halikaarn1an it seems very different — mostly because those things are depersonalised and general audience, whereas the sycophantic model feels like it’s talking to you specifically
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Gabriel@gbrl_dick·
not a big safety guy but the 'keep 4o' people freak me out and i'm coming around to the idea that we need to collectively ensure that nobody really leans into exploiting these people, who have a level of psychic vulnerability to slop i would not have believed possible.
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Halikaarnian@Halikaarn1an·
@Bonecondor I signed up for a "space weather" class in college and was pissed when it turned out that only 4 of us out of a required 20 had, so it was canceled.
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Halikaarnian@Halikaarn1an·
@__drewface I don't disagree, but the audience the wrong people are amassing may be negative value and the audience the timid brilliant people want may be rightfully very different.
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Andrew Rose
Andrew Rose@__drewface·
the culture is weird because many of my friends who are brilliant are very afraid of "getting it wrong" or "misleading people", so they keep quiet and tinker on their theories far too long... but many people w/ bad opinions shout them on every platform, amassing a following
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Logan
Logan@loganallc·
I am a firm believer that we must make the cornerstones of civilization transparent and verifiable.
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Joshua Achiam
Joshua Achiam@jachiam0·
I find it baffling that for all of the bluster in tech about the importance of the world of atoms, chips, and open source, there is virtually no discourse on science and hacking for EUV and post-EUV lithography.
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Halikaarnian@Halikaarn1an·
@StevenGlinert France has warmer regions, Med seaports, and a longer coastline as well.
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Glinert 🇺🇸 🏭@StevenGlinert·
So the very true trope is that French food is better than German food and that makes no sense given the fact that they’re so geographically similar. My theory is that during the formative years of cuisine: 1. France is a centralized competitive culinary market with demand for luxury goods that, most importantly, can pull from across multiple microclimates. Germany is fragmented, with no national market till the 19th century. 2. France is wealthy. Germany is poor and destroyed by war repetitively. 3. Something something Protestant bourgeoisie frugality.
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Neal Parikh
Neal Parikh@npparikh·
@RyanRosenblatt @2024dion I have two fancy grocery stores on my block. I don’t even have to cross the street to get groceries. There’s even more if you expand to anything 60 seconds away. Still I order sometimes. They’re just paying for my groceries for no reason.
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Dion@2024dion·
Since the baby was born I have become an early morning runner in the city and the number of people I’ve seen doing DoorDash breakfast deliveries to their houses blows my mind. Is a lukewarm $15 McMuffin really any better than jimmy dean?
𝖓𝖎𝖓𝖊 🕯@atlanticesque

I genuinely think a massive cultural divergence today is whether or not you regularly order (or want to order) food delivered to your house using DoorDash or UberEats If you don’t do this, then you are practically a different species to those who do

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Halikaarnian@Halikaarn1an·
@justksthings3 @brianros1 Rehab is just a crutch that aids people hitting bottom and taking responsibility. Jail works fine for that too.
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Brian Rosenwald
Brian Rosenwald@brianros1·
Tell me you weren't alive in the 1990s without telling me. The concept — lock up people with long rap sheets who commit lots of crimes makes sense. But the implementation, where you had people stealing $10 items and getting life sentences, was a disaster. Or addicts who could be
Mason@webdevMason

@allie__voss Three strikes laws were just good sense. There really shouldn't be anyone on the streets with multiple felonies. Either you were able to learn the necessary lesson and live in a peaceful society, or you weren't and must live with your peers.

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PolicyRespecter
PolicyRespecter@oteycoueye·
What other cool things could I ferment? Hot peppers turn gross very quickly.
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PolicyRespecter@oteycoueye·
Got a bunch of 20 and 30 liter buckets for free, covered with hazelnut butter and tehina remnants. Pressure washed them. Filled them with cabbage heads, baby cucumbers, green beans and garlic to ferment in salt brine. Put them in the battery shack.
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mattparlmer 🪐 🌷@mattparlmer·
Spent the weekend at the inaugural @HumanDirected summit, gave a talk on the state of AI in manufacturing, had interesting discussions about datacenter buildout blockers, applications of supercomputing beyond LLMs, and the mounting negative cultural reaction to generative models
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Halikaarnian@Halikaarn1an·
Zero-knowledge slop-accelerationist medievalist Palladian garage-fab nuclear-powered Sanskrit-translating surgical-robot autonomous-VC meshnets on a moon-computer. Starts tomorrow. Apply.
Human Directed Futures@HumanDirected

The Datacenter Stability Paradox is staring us in the face and we're launching an invitational summit to tackle it. The datacenters we rely on to run AI models (and buoy US GDP) are among the most complex technological assemblies ever produced by civilization. /1

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