Isaac Agboola

That wasn't discipleship Brother, that was evangelism Discipleship is post salvation...

These are the types of people who like Heiser. They're into all this mythology and fictional fantasies.

Larry is either lying, illiterate, or misinformed. My hope is that he is simply misinformed. Let me refute his article… The charge that Mike Heiser “supported polytheism” only works if we redefine polytheism and ignore how Heiser himself defined elohim. Mike never taught that Yahweh is one god among many equal gods. He taught the opposite:m often saying, “Yahweh was an elohim but no other elohim was Yahweh.” Heiser’s point was that elohim is not a word for a set of divine attributes like omnipotence, eternality, or creatorhood. Rather, it is a “place of residence” term for beings of the spiritual realm. Yahweh alone is uncreated, sovereign, incomparable, and worthy of worship.  So the Larry’s main mistake is simple: he assumes that calling a being elohim means granting it the status of the one true God. But Scripture itself does not use the word that way. The Bible uses elohim for Yahweh, members of Yahweh’s council, the gods of the nations, demons, the deceased Samuel, and angels/the Angel of Yahweh. Heiser’s argument was not “there are many Gods like Yahweh” but that the Bible’s vocabulary is wider than our English word ‘God.’”  Psalm 82 is not a “quotational” use. The text says, “God stands in the divine assembly; he administers judgment in the midst of the gods.” The Hebrew has elohim twice: the first is singular, the second is plural. Heiser points out that the grammar requires a group: God is judging “in the midst of” other elohim. These beings are then called “sons of the Most High” in Psalm 82:6, and they are condemned for corrupt rule. That is the biblical writer speaking in his own voice. To suggest it’s a pagan quotation is actually insulting to the Word. The “human judges” view also fails miserably. Psalm 89 locates the council “in the skies” and “among the sons of God,” not in an Israelite courtroom. Heiser rightly says there is no biblical text where Jewish leaders are placed over the nations in the heavens. Psalm 82 ends by asking God to “inherit all the nations,” which makes sense if the corrupt rulers are supernatural beings over the nations, not Israelite magistrates. Deuteronomy 32:17 is also not a rescue for Larry. It says Israel sacrificed “to demons, not God, to gods they had not known.” Heiser’s pointed out how the shedim are called elohim! Paul follows that logic in 1 Corinthians 10:20–21 when he says pagan sacrifices are offered to demons. So yes, Paul calls them demons. But that does not prove they are not real elohim in biblical vocabulary. It proves what Heiser argued, which is that rebellious spiritual beings can be both “demons” and “gods” in the biblical sense. Larry also mishandles “there is none besides me.” That language does not mean no other spiritual beings exist. It means no other being compares to Yahweh. Heiser gives the obvious parallels that make sense. Babylon and Nineveh say “there is none besides me” in Isaiah 47:8 and Zephaniah 2:15, but no one thinks that means no other cities existed. It means incomparability. That is exactly how Deuteronomy 4:35 works! Yahweh alone is God in the ultimate, sovereign, covenantal, creator sense. So my answer to the challenge is this: the Old Testament itself supplies the non-quotational examples. Psalm 82:1, 6. Psalm 89:5–7. Deuteronomy 32:8–17. Psalm 29:1. Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7. These are not pagan slogans whatsoever but rather show the Bible’s own supernatural worldview. And the New Testament does not erase that worldview. Paul says idols are nothing in themselves, but the spiritual beings behind pagan worship are demons, and Christians must not have fellowship with them (1 Cor 8:4–6; 10:20–22). This is more sound biblical theology than what Larry seems to be suggesting. So no, Mike Heiser did not smuggle polytheism into Christianity. He forced us to stop protecting ourselves from the Bible. As he put it, “The biblical writers weren’t polytheists,” but there is also “no need to camouflage what the Hebrew text says.”  I believe in one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. I believe Yahweh alone is eternal, uncreated, sovereign, omnipotent, and worthy of worship. But I also refuse to pretend the Bible does not say what it says. The biblical writers believed in a real unseen realm. They believed Yahweh had a heavenly host. They believed rebellious spiritual beings existed. They called those beings elohim when appropriate, and they still confessed, without contradiction, “Hear, O Israel: Yahweh our God, Yahweh is one” (Deut 6:4). So there ya go Larry. I hope this shows how you were tearing down a strawman. God Bless

What do all these have in common? They imply that ordinary Christians, pastors, creeds, confessions, and centuries of biblical interpretation were missing the real meaning of Scripture until modern scholars recovered this hidden knowledge (gnosis) of a “lost world.” Same stuff with Michael Heiser. "RECOVERING the supernatural worldview of the Bible". Good thing he came along 2000 years later and recovered it. It might have been lost forever if not for Heiser. They all claim to have this secret knowledge that the church has been lacking for 2,000 years. They are the new Gnostics.

Heiser's greatest contribution lies not in that he invented anything new, but in that he popularized and synthesized a number of scholarly insights (many of which had existed in specialist scholarship for decades) into a coherent framework accessible to pastors and lay readers.

What do all these have in common? They imply that ordinary Christians, pastors, creeds, confessions, and centuries of biblical interpretation were missing the real meaning of Scripture until modern scholars recovered this hidden knowledge (gnosis) of a “lost world.” Same stuff with Michael Heiser. "RECOVERING the supernatural worldview of the Bible". Good thing he came along 2000 years later and recovered it. It might have been lost forever if not for Heiser. They all claim to have this secret knowledge that the church has been lacking for 2,000 years. They are the new Gnostics.

You all like to point out that Jesus forgave the adulterous woman You forget that He called some other people “brood of vipers” and “whited sepulchres” The idea of forgiveness is “go and sin no more” Not go and continue in your sin and collect award